Tired of Being Bashed

Grab a cup of coffee, if you plan to read this. whistle

First off, let me start off by saying that I am not a whale, I may look like one in person, but no, I don’t send 100’s of signups to sponsors, don’t have tens of thousands of hits per day, but then too, I don’t go fudging stats.

Everywhere you turn today, someone is bitching about sales, how only 10% of your affiliates will be sellers, the others are basically a waste of time, a drag of resources, & just a bunch of lazy part timers.

Personally, I find that rather INSULTING.

First off, to denigrade those 90% as being useless in the grand scheme of making money, is wrong. Each one of those who do indeed make pitiful sales (count me as one of them) still provide a benefit to the sponsor. It is called BRAND RECOGNITION.

There are lots of reasons why some aren’t whales. Just as there are a lot of reasons why some are. Some will use any tactic to trick their surfer, to push them into buying a membership, through shady offerings like cloaking pages so they get better SE rankings. Like cookie stuffing so the real seller gets ripped off of the sale.

Another good one is that they talk the talk, and to shut them up, Sponsors give them greater help, greater access to promotional material, that is DENIED to the others. Hell, they even bend their own TOS to accommodate those arrogant braggarts, but when a smaller fish wants to do the same, they get shot down or terminated.

Yes, whales exist today, but you know, today’s smaller fish might just be tomorrow’s whale, but Sponsors aren’t concerned about tomorrow, just today.

Sponsors are also direct competition to every affiliate they have, by using their own traffic to push other sites. They are Affiliates as well, & generally are WHALES thanks to all that traffic sent them by all the small fish.

WHALES get to choose promotional content, so that they don’t wind up with 12 pics that are just different angles. Course the rest of us small fry have to try & make a post from those 12 pics, which are really only 2 or 3 pics. Like one sponsor sent a set, with 4 pics of the guy stroking his dick, the only difference between the 4 pics, was where his fucking hand was on the dick. Like gee, that helps me, but hey, the WHALE is grabbing what he wants from inside.

Sure maybe only 10% really do produce the majority of sales, but then, they are given a shorter playing field than the rest, so they should perform better. Want more producers, LEVEL THE FUCKING PLAYING FIELD!

Then too, with WHALES, they see what is inside, so they can better promote the site, while the rest have to rely on tours or anemic descriptions (if any are provided) to push the site.

Not everyone is a techno genius, or a SE professional, nor is everyone a Graphics guru, yet Sponsors seem to think we all are that. They spend money on fancy affiliate programs like NATS & the associated tools like embedded FLVs & all the other crap. BUT DO THEY OFFER ANY INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO USE THEM? NO!

You want people to promote your site, but you make it as time consuming as possible, or as confusing as you can, or in some cases both. Yet constantly we hear about how so many of us small fry waste their time. Uh, maybe if you properly documented your tools, you’d not get stupid ass questions from me, & the other small fry who aren’t techno geeks.

Hell one well known site has added campaigns to their program, but no instructions on how to add them to the linking codes. NOTHING, so yeah, they get a question, but I bet you dimes to dollars, the WHALES are using the feature, but I am still waiting for a reply on how to do it.

Sent one sponsor (a new site too) about where is the promo content? They told me that ccBill sent it to me, but I kept getting a ‘permisson not allowed’ message, sent the url to the sponsor, and WEEKS LATER NO WORD YET. But a few whales I see have the content, are using it, & making sales. So is it any wonder small fry stay small?

Loved one Sponsor. Had a login problem, and the answer was… use the support ticket system in the affiliate area. UH, DID YOU READ IT WAS A LOGIN ISSUE? Course if I’d been a whale, I’d have his icq, personal email addy, skype number and all that, & wouldn’t have had to wait 30 hours for the stupid password reminder program to send the login details… that their upgrade had changes… WITHOUT TELLING ME!

Changes are made to programs, but do the small fry get notified? Nah, that’s too time consuming so we have to login to find out a site has changed or added something, or like one well known site, simply turfed most of its affiliates with 3 or 4 day notice. Things like cancelling feeds without anyone being told, about changes in linking codes, should be common to be told to everyone… not just that elite 10%

YES, some sponsors operate professionally, & do care about all their affiliates, but you know what, they are a RARITY TODAY.

Things happen, sickness, accidents, whatever, but not every small fry is a lazy bum, and I am sick and tired of being lumped into that category, simply because YOU HAVE CREATED AN UNFAIR PLAYING FIELD.

I work over 12 hours a day at this blasted job, but in those hours I still have other responsibilities to deal with. We don’t all live & breathe porn, we have other committments such as having to care for elderly parents, having to deal with a sick partner, or just having to deal with a slumping economy. There are a gazillion things that impact the ability to work non stop at this job. Yeah I am in front of this computer for 12 plus hours, but I also have to listen for choking sounds from a 93 year old, have to deal with doctors, nurses, and then there is the laundry. So yeah, 12 hours, with a gazillion interruptions, but that is life. IT DOESN’T MAKE ME LAZY, JUST ORDINARY LIKE MANY OF US 90% OF SMALL FRY.

Us small fry rely on email updates, unlike WHALES that have all that free access. So when you make those updates erractic as all hell, you won’t get a lot of consistent promotions, nor many sales. YET WE GET TAGGED WITH BEING LAZY.

TGPs & such are virtually a closed shop, and you know the WHALES are in there like flint, while the rest us wait for months for being listed with now pretty stale shit. AGAIN WE TAKE THE HIT, NOT THE WHALES.

Lets talk about how we get no real support. Many small fry resort to asking questions, to sending emails, simply because there are NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS.

No conveniences like zipped banners (though every affiliate rep keeps asking which are the standard sizes they should offer), or even in naming the blasted content for download. Like naming the FLV one thing, the photo shoot something totally different. Like right, we are supposed to devine which matches which?

When I go into a grocery store, or a department store I can easily find what I want. WHY? BECAUSE THEY PUT SIMILAR THINGS TOGETHER, LIKE MEN’S SLEEPWEAR ISN’T LOCATED ACROSS THE STORE NEXT TO HARDWARE.

I have yet to find a sponsor that lists the retention rate of their site, so how in fuck am I supposed to make a rational business decision on whether to go PPS or REVSHARE? And no, asking doesn’t get me anywhere, cuz I am NOT A WHALE.

I completely understand that time is at a premium. I know it, from how my own time is limited, and granted too, my organizational skills are not the best, and yet I find time for important things, like reading the emails, not just the subject line. I don’t expect sponsors to drop everything to answer my dumb questions, but then, they wouldn’t have to if they made things clear in the affiliate area.

Not everyone is a Marketing Guru, but you know, providing simple linking codes, to a selling tour, that actually has join buttons, to codes to the sign up page, helps, but is often ignored by sponsors. YOU expect everyone to know how to use ccBill linking codes, Epoch linking codes, and the ever confusing NATS coding Oh, and how about Verotel codes? GUESS WHAT, WE DON’T!

If you have made it this far, congradulations. Thing is, those of us who are in the nameless 90% are your foot soldiers. We don’t get all the glory (money) but we do the job, we deserve the same respect, the same opportunity as the big boys. I am not asking for free access to your member’s area, which I think is wrong for anyone to have. After all, if your tour was transparent, if your promotional material was clear, and complete, no one should need member access (other than real review sites).

Yet you guys bitch like hell about the free shit out there, and who is giving it away? Sure as fuck isn’t me, but it is YOU. You give added content to your whales, who post it & then has someone come by and steal it, and suddenly it is all over the place. Yet it is us FREE LOADING SMALL FRY who get blamed.

Sponsors won’t work with each other, or with their affiliates, to work out any STANDARDS. [ and every sponsor who replies, with say well they do, but you know what, it is mostly bullshit. ] So instead of agreeing on limiting free promotional content, you keep ONE UPPING EACH OTHER. Then it is the 90% who get blamed for putting too much out there. WAKE UP GUYS IT IS YOUR WHALES DOING IT! AND WITH YOUR CO-OPERATION.

Bottom line is that NO I don’t want any special priveleges, I JUST WANT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD & THE RESPECT DUE ME, FOR TRYING MY BEST.

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If I had to guess, I’d say the “whales” are the top 1% and people like you and me are the other 9% of the top 10% (for particular sponsors who we do well with).

Any sponsors want to chime in with what they think a “whale” is and what part of the top 10% they represent?

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I opted for a stiff drink instead of the coffee. :wink:

I think the really good sponsors don’t care what kind of affiliate you are, be it a small fish or whale.

Besides I’m not so sure there are that many whales to be honest, I always got the impression there very very few whales and loads of little fish. But some of the little fish thinks they are whales, others pretend to be fish but are whales… others simple don’t know what they are. After all it’s difficult to know what you are compared to someone else online.

I’m in the odd position where I sell to so many different sponsors that I often don’t send a huge amount to any single sponsor. Or not what i would consider a huge amount at least but that’s all relative i guess. On the other hand some sponsor say that I send a lot of traffic, yet I’ve never been told I’m their biggest affiliate. Sometimes I do wonder who is!?

I specially remember one sponsor who I had really tried to sell a lot, even when their ratios were not that great. Only to find out that a new “big” affiliate got flown over to where the sponsor was are located for some “special treatment”… That did piss me off. I did ask my rep what the limit would be for special treatment, but he had just started with them and didn’t have any answer.

I’m sure who you are, the amount of traffic you send or how loud you shout CAN make a big difference but actually in most cases it doesn’t. I don’t know how many times I’ve sent out emails and never heard back, even for the most simple requests. In one case it took 3 years for them to reply… i guess its better than the one who never reply. That I do find very frustrating. It does leave me wondering what the heck they get up to?

But at the same time I have a feeling affiliates are probably not a easy bunch of people to deal with to say the least. whistle

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Believe me RT, I am not in that elite 10%. I am just one of the countless small fry in that 90%

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That’s 'cause we’re lazy and what the sponsor to do all the work for us… lol

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But at the same time I have a feeling affiliates are probably not a easy bunch of people to deal with to say the least

Nope we aren’t, it seems in this biz, no one wants to own up to their faults. I know I don’t do enough, to become a bigger fish, but I actually think I have good reason, though at times even I wonder. :bang:

I do think though, that a lot of what we face, as affiliates is because we are all treated as numbers (not like its different in the real world) and that those who shout the loudest, get the attention or perks. I dunno anymore, but this isn’t a friendly biz, like it once was.

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I think you’re being unfair to all the other “small” affiliates and sponsors who work hard. We all started with nothing and created the position we’re in today, whatever that might be. Not everyone wants to be huge and make tons of money. For some being an affiliate is easier then it is for others because of skill sets, motivation, etc.

Instead of writing a 1,733 word tirade bashing sponsors and “whales” and blaming them for being unfair, what if you looked at the world around you and realized that life isn’t fair to any of us. The bigger the business in ANY industry, the more influence they have, even with governments, laws, taxation, etc.

I’ve watched bloggers from their very first post work hard and become VERY successful. I’ve watched others who could have been even more successful stop, or ease back, at the point where they made enough money to be satisfied. I’ve seen small one man studios become multi-million dollar success stories. I’ve seen huge multi-million dollar studios go bankrupt.

This affiliates VS sponsors crap that some people are perpetuating has got to stop. We are ALL in this together and and blaming one or the other for the hard times we are experiencing is futile. I could have easily written the same tirade and replaced sponsors with affiliates. Being a small studio, it’s difficult to get “big whale” affiliates to promote you, most don’t even return your emails. The first thing you learn in sports is that the playing field is never level, the same goes for business & politics :wink:

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Wow I didn’t made it with just one cup of coffee.

When you say that whales have all kinds of benefits, like free site access… it makes me wonder, if you have asked sponsors about it?

I know I am not a whale, actually I don’t know what I am and it doesn’t matter. I am an individual and I don’t care in what category others would throw me in. Yet, I have noticed that sponsors (the majority at least) are happy to give me access to their site, if I ask them to.

I do not agree that noone should need access. Actually, if you would run a real store and you are planning to sell a new product, I think it’s only fair to ask for a sample first. You want to know what you’re going to sell. I don’t think it’s different in this business.

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I can certainly relate to a lot of Ian’s frustration here. I won’t go too much into my own bitches etc, as my tirade would probably be even longer. lol

However, lately, I’ve been seeing some pretty shitty promo content. While the repetitive pic issue has been going on for a while, it’s getting worse in my opinion. I’ve also noticed the models aren’t quite as hot as they used to be with some sites. I have no issues promoting models who are just about average in looks, or slightly above, however, butt ugly just won’t cut it. My guess is that they’re cheaper to pay than the hotter ones. Just my guess anyway.

I have issues with NATS4 as well and the way some affiliate areas are set up. I think some sponsors don’t know how to use NATS themselves. LOL. So in that case, we’re all fucked pretty much. One sponsor even has a NATS4 affiliate area, but instead of putting the content inside that, they created a whole new site which is even more confusing to navigate. Who’s designing these sites anyway? LOL.

As for being small fries. Yeah, I always will be I think and I’m ok with that. I agree with Ian on being treated unfairly in some cases. I’m a mouthy bitch when I have to be though and more often than not, I get what I’m looking for when I get my ire up. LOL. I really try to be civil when I do it though, as screaming at someone really doesn’t get you anywhere. Believe me, I tried it for 35 years before I realized that. Talk about dense, huh? LOL.

Anyway…I hear ya Ian, and yes, we’re all in it together. This board has really helped things though. Contacting sponsors who are members here for me has been pretty successful and it’s paid off. That’s a huge plus. I am thankful to Bjorn and everyone who runs the board for this every day.

For those sponsors who don’t realize that good relationships with affiliates could help them in a big way, if you’re reading this, come on in and socialize. Let’s work together.

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[QUOTE=pocoloco;71377]Wow I didn’t made it with just one cup of coffee.

When you say that whales have all kinds of benefits, like free site access… it makes me wonder, if you have asked sponsors about it?

I know I am not a whale, actually I don’t know what I am and it doesn’t matter. I am an individual and I don’t care in what category others would throw me in. Yet, I have noticed that sponsors (the majority at least) are happy to give me access to their site, if I ask them to.

I do not agree that noone should need access. Actually, if you would run a real store and you are planning to sell a new product, I think it’s only fair to ask for a sample first. You want to know what you’re going to sell. I don’t think it’s different in this business.[/QUOTE]

Yeah have actually. And sure samples are common in business, but they are not the full meal deal. They are smaller portions, not bigger portions. I think that having full access to videos/photos puts an unfair advantage in the hands of a few, rather than the majority.

Additionally, it is a huge leak of content that surfers will snap up and use, when added to what members take and post, is why so much free stuff is out there. Giving all that access to whoever shouts the loudest, only ascerbates the issue. in my opinion.

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actually most sites will give out access to affiliates with no problem. just email them and tell them that you want to get a better idea of what the member area has for members.

the whale thing is often true, and what’s interesting to me is how easy it can be for programs to lose one of their whales. i’ve seen folks who are freaking because some guy took his 400 sales a month and went elsewhere. it’s pretty competitive to keep a big seller, and sometimes i question whether it’s worth it for those with the wrong approach. after all, it’s easier to pay more per sale if you have lots of upsells and cross sales, but some sites don’t have those, so they’d better have something to make it profitable.

i’ve known a few whales, and they expect to be paid more, more often and have other concessions, and while that’s fair, it means in some cases, you may be running a slim profit on their sales.

btw, i can’t see how it costs programs to be nice to even their smallest affiliates. courtesy should be free, and not offering it shows what kind of a person you are - a kiss ass who is only nice for the buck.

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I’m sorry if my post in the other thread offended you. I certainly don’t mean to be disparaging to those affiliates who work hard.

But where I’m concerned, here’s how it looks for me.

I run a paysite, but I also have to run a family of my own blogs to pay my bills. Every Butch Dixon membership gets split three ways after we pay affiliates, hosting, processing, and models. There’s not a lot left over for the three site owners. That means I’m extemely busy and I don’t have a lot of time chasing or coddling people.

I don’t think I’ve ever refused someone access to Butch Dixon if they want to grab their own pictures. I just ask that they leave the watermarks in place and they don’t take cumshots.

As far as whales are concerned, I don’t really have any. I have a few affiliates who produce some sales, but 90% produce none, or next to none. Probably 90% of the 90% have never sent any traffic or sales. Nilch, zero, nada. I don’t know why that is, but I simply don’t have the time to find out.

I could definitely do a better job approaching affiliates who are selling to see if there’s other stuff they need. I always send a welcome message to new affiates, showing them where the tools are and telling them to contact me if they need anything else. I rarely hear from anyone, and a good number of those messages bounce back as undeliverable.

My point in my other message was simply that it’s not always the sponsors fault. There are definitely a lot of hard working affiliates in this business, there are also a lot of lazy people and people who really don’t know what they’re doing. And there are even more quick-buck artists who want to do as little as possible and make $35 per sale. I can’t compete with that.

I apologize if I offended anyone, it wasn’t my intention. But at some point we have to admit that there are some people who just shouldn’t be in this business as either a sponsor or an affiliate. The current financial climate is taking care of some of those people, which may make it easier for those of us who work hard.

Affiliates need to be proactive, too. I wasn’t producing well for a sponsor, so I approached them and asked for help. I got it in spades. If they hadn’t replied, I would probably just move on. It sounds like you’ve tried to do this, Ian, but have hit many brick walls. That’s too bad.

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To me it’s quite simple. I run my own shop – build my own traffic in that sense. A sponsor can provide me with 800 FHGs or whatnot but that helps me none if the last update was in 2007. I ask sponsors for site access so I can promote what is fresh, and that is a responsibility I have np with, I don’t overuse pics and even when sponsors don’t have a new video clip up I download the whole 500M thing from their update and create a 30-60sec teaser in Vegas for it. Technical? Yes, very. I have to edit this in Vegas, export to AVI, then transcode it to two versions of MP4 and thumbnail via FFMPeg.

A sponsor who doesn’t give me site access is a sponsor I know won’t sell. I’m not about to put a clip or photosample up in front of 1500-5000 ppl that everyone has already seen and expect a result. I don’t promote sponsors that are way off what I see as my blog’s niche. Yet still sometimes there are some where despite everything I’m scratching my head like WTF happened.

In 2010 you have got to be proactive like you said but you also really have to have a good technical foundation to do this right. I don’t blame sponsors if they don’t sell but at the same time a sponsor not even willing to give me site access tells me quite clearly they probably haven’t updated in forever so my two choices there would be using their content to send surfers via a revshare that at best cancels at once, or using their content to send surfers via PPS and now the surfer knows they can’t trust me to promote good sites.

I don’t promote sites that scam, and I don’t trust sponsors that don’t give me the access to make sure it’s not good quality. Yes, the economy is shit but the two sponsors doing best are ones I have talked to one on one and have site access so I can keep an eye and sell them best.

My 2c.

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lol The first hit on a brick wall hurts, after that it is just an inconvenience. As for me, Michael you didn’t offend me.

Look, my post wasn’t about me, but about a ‘general’ feeling I get, that is around, about the two gangs out there, one being the affiliates, the other the sponsors. And it is like gangs, all competing for the almighty buck, ready to slit the other gang’s throats.

It cuts both ways, like we are both patients in need of a root canal and then we are also the dentist wanting to do the work, but without any pain killers for the patient.

I don’t run paysites, so I can’t comment on that with any insights, but as an affiliate, I can comment, which is all that post was about, no matter how some may wish to label it, or call it.

Things are tough for everyone, but instead of working together, we spend the time back biting and whining. Maybe my post came across as a whine, but all I am trying to say, is that we need to stop keeping our focus narrow, and start including people in the decisions being made, whether its on design, or on how to push content.

My beef is about all this ‘access’ stuff going on. We all know how much free crap is out there, in high quality too. After all, it comes from your own member’s area. I don’t expect access, shouldn’t really, and while its nice that those who have answered say they don’t deny access, I am saying that perhaps they should… to everyone. Put up better tours, send out better pics for use, makes more sense, feeds a wider audience, and makes it a win win for everyone.

Sometimes, you just have to say NO.

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To be honest, I got the jist after the first 4 paragaraphs before the kettle had even boiled!

Fish or whale, I don’t really care providing the affiliate doesn’t expect my company to do ALL the work and THEN send them traffic as well. We treat all affiliates the same. Any legit affiliate can get a free pass to BlakeMason and harvest what he / she wants.

That said, many just want everything on a plate… and we try to serve both needs as best we can. So please, don’t beat me up with the rest!

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I respect you Ian, as I respect all of our affiliates. We have actually gone out of our way to customize our HunkMoney NATS to try to show affiliates how to use our tools. Log in to http://nats.hunkmoney.com and click “Marketing Tools” to see what I am talking about.

And if you need help with ANYTHING please email, icq, PM or post a thread here and I will help however or wherever possible.

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Okay, so I’ve had a couple martini’s tonight. It’s my 21st birthday tomorrow… I’m working late from home tonight and cleaning house and things before my friend throws me my surprise birthday here tomorrow that I’m not supposed to know about. But here’s how I feel…

God, jesus christ. I could not agree with you more. I was on another board before I discovered gaydemon. A huge majority of the “members” to that board are bitchy queens are stuck up Lee’s ass and think they are know it all’s and don’t give a flying fuck about anyone and all they can do is bitch about not making any money. Or they talk about all their shoulda woulda coulda’s. They attack the big players and bitch about them. One member bashed on Titan for going after piraters. WTF. The ones who don’t give a damn and aren’t making any money are the ones that are bashing down other people. Frankly, I have found it much better over here at gaydemon than any other board.

Personally, I would much rather have a good stiff argument than a bashing. I would find that more professional about someone.
And the bashing, it needs to be done in private, not where the entire world and china can read it.

Programs that fuck the industry, Hell yea let them have it. Bring the torches while your at it.

What I also despise is a program who decides one day to get rid of a bunch of their affiliates and only keep the “good ones” and tell them they have to promote this other site but not the one you’ve been promoting with only a couple days notice and then hoot and hollar all over the board about all of your glorious updates. :finger: :finger: :finger:
That’s what I hate. It’s shady, I think it’s screwed up, and I think it’s a slap in affiliates faces saying get lost, but here’s what we have new, get it up on your site… oh wait, we dropped you… you can’t use it. YEA FUCK YOU! Come on now, really!!! That may not be how they show it, but that’s how I perceived it. (Just using this fact as an example).

So there are good grounds for bashing and there are bad ground for bashing. But on the boards I seem to call it attacking. If you don’t agree with somethign someone is doing and it’s legal, shut the hell up and keep it to yourself or private. There’s no need to attack someone over their ideas or goals they’re trying to accomplish.
Do you really think people would want to do business with you if you do that? I don’t. I seen one sponsor program on here bash somebody over something rediculously stupid over the way a logo looks when they asked for feedback. I never replied on the thread. I just went to the blogs and yanked their links down. If they’re going to be assholes to them, how do I know they won’t be to me?

I’d say everyone on average here reads at least 90% of the threads and posts. When they get heated up, that’s when the gays come out of the rain. Don’t lie, we all like reading board drama. When I see bashing, critizing to the point it’s hateful, or I see any form of disrespect towards someone on here period, I look the other way and I will never work with that person and I am 99.8% certain others do the same. It’s like “ew, look at that asshole, why do I want to work with him, he’s a prick!” That’s what goes through my head. And we may be a small click, but the gay porn industry is pretty large. It’s very easy now days to just swap out a site. I’ve done it. And I will continue as long as I’m working for this company.

Now, I’m going back to my martini and cleaning my home office LOL.

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The whale vs small affiliate; from my experience there is a dramatic long tail effect vis a vis revenue from a sponsor point of view. A tiny handful of affiliates drive nearly all the volume, and you betcha a sponsor is going to give them love and attention. The perhaps bigger phenomenon taking place worthy of discussion is the effect of consolidation of the market, both sponsor consolidation, and intermediary consolidation.

I dont believe sponsors are trying to make life difficult for the smaller affiliate, but there is a strong economic constraint present with where to spend time. That said, in my time working with affiliates, I do remember enjoying working with those affiliates, large and small, whom I had made a connection with, either here, or on IM or email etc. And moreover, I found myself doing more for those I like working with and trust, and who where creative in trying new approaches.

The pressures on sponsors and affiliates are greater today than ever, and I was reminded of that reading your post. The independent sponsors are feeling the pinch too, I can assure you and are doing everything they can to provide a compelling and differentiated offering to the marketplace awash in free porn.

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Argh…we all need to stick together in these times not shred one another. It was way less scary when all we had to worry about was Bush. I’m not going to trash anyone on this forum or any other and I’m not going to trash other forums either. Even GFY seems way too polite these days…fact is we’re all in this boat together so let’s not go Titanic. Okay, not good analogy cos of saving the kids but I guess what I’m saying is at this point any wars do us no good. Anyone goes thirty days without trashing other sponsors/blogs or (I can’t believe I’ even saying it) customers gets top link on my friends section which is now over 4500 uniques a day. Laugh at that if you want but 60 days ago it was 1500. You don’t trash customers in a public forum and you don’t start fights. This all just looks bad for all of us and this is not how we behaved in 2000, BP doesn’t give anyone an excuse.

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too much spinning around in my head right now after reading this entire thread to formulate a reasonable reply but will be keeping my eye on this one to see where it goes.
My initial reaction is that with only one or two minor exceptions I agree with pretty much everything that’s been said from both a sponsor perspective as well an affiliate perspective.