Removing GMP sites from Gaydemon

Unless I hear from the people behind GMP within 7 days I will seriously consider stop listing GMP sites on GayDemon and remove any existing ones. I don’t support dodgy business practices.

I’ve had yet another complaint from a surfer who are unable to contact GMP to cancel a membership. There is no way to cancel online and they do not answer their phones (even if they ask them to call to cancel AND they offer 24hour live support).

In this instance a customer got charged $64, yet their new membership are only something like $5. Another good reason to dump them.

(I did email them GMP)

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[quote=gaydemon;48373]
Unless I hear from the people behind GMP within 7 days I will seriously consider stop listing GMP sites on GayDemon and remove any existing ones. I don’t support dodgy business practices.

I’ve had yet another complaint from a surfer who are unable to contact GMP to cancel a membership. There is no way to cancel online and they do not answer their phones (even if they ask them to call to cancel AND they offer 24hour live support).

In this instance a customer got charged $64, yet their new membership are only something like $5. Another good reason to dump them.

(I did email them GMP)[/quote]

I’ve been working with them forever. Sometimes they(webmaster support) are hard to get a hold of. The customer support phone number is always answered. Maybe this is a customer who did not really want the membership and decided after the 60 day period to dispute the charge with his credit card company, he wanted his money back. Their membership has never been $ 64.00 for the last month and a half their most expensive membership is $ 28.95 so sounds to me the customer is not telling you the entire story. Try contacting [email protected].

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I’ve emailed them.

Honestly, this is the 2nd customer in a short time that complained that they do not answer their phones. IF you do not provide 24hour phone support (as it clearly says on their support page) you will have to provide alternative ways of cancelling your membership.

This together with their silly low memberships to me = pointless to promote.

This is the latest complaint:

Hey there, Writting about yr review about GMP, gobal male pass… First off, they over charged my credit card account and they were not available on line or by phone that 24/7 number is a joke! There is no one… I’m out 64.00 for a basic renew which by the way cost less! I wish you would repeal yr admiration/comments about this fucking site…and not invite people to get in and get screwd like me…

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Good move Bjorn. You probably wont hear back. It takes them forever to respond.

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By the way, have you checked your stats lately?

This month I have had 2 sales and 11 rebills, total commission: $35.56!

That means each sale and rebills is worth $2.50. Why even bother?

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I am using GMP Signature for all promotion, membership sales are between $ 8.86 and $ 28.95, with their recurring memberships earning $ 20 per rebill. You might want to contact them to switch your sites over from GMP to GMP Signature. I still think that customer is pulling your leg. Even the renewal for 1 year membership for GMP is $ 19.95 at the most (the renewal is not automatic so he must have responded to their email asking if he wanted to renew) I have been promoting them since the beginning, and I have to admit, their webmaster support is not the best but usually if you are persistent you do get results.

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GMP is REALLY confusing for the consumer. So many of the sites that were under the regular GMP have moved to “signature”. So, consumers get confused as hell and then signup for signature. Thus having two GMP passwords.

What is even more confusing is that the customer thinks he is joining for a year or whatever and that is it. But, he gets enrolled in GayPlayce, which I can’t find what the monthly fee is. The closest I can find is this…

“Customer agrees and consents to an automatic renewal of Customer’s Global Male Signature membership. Customer understand that cancellation of GlobalMaleSignature services does not terminate billing for all related Signature services. All Signature Memberships provide access to GayPlayce Personals and the customer is billed separately for this. To fully terminate billing for ALL related services, including Signature and GayPlayce, user must specificy to Resign account in order to cease all future billing. For Customer’s convenience, when Small Ball Internet Creations automatically renews Customer’s Global Male Signature membership, under the terms of this agreement, it shall do so for a term equal to the term that Customer originally signed up for, at the then current rate for said term”

http://globalmalesignature.com/terms.html

Now, where does it say what he is actually paying for that?
https://secure.globalmalesignature.com/join.html

This is worse than the excessive cross sales that gay gravy uses if you ask me. How is a consumer suppose to know what he is getting billed for? It doesn’t say anywhere that I can see?

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I tend to belive my surfers, I’ve yet to recieve a complaint that was not true. As Abostonboy says, GMP is very confusing now. But I’m happy to be proved wrong by GMP.

People who signed up for the old GMP are now more or less forced to upgrade to a new type of membership just so that they can get access to the stuff they already paid for. I find it outragous how they can mess around as much as they have done with surfers and get away with it.

Surfers are just like you and me, normal people paying for a service. Would you be happy if your Cable company didnt answer their billing or customer service phone lines AND suddenly wanted you to pay extra to watch TV when you already paid for it?

To be honest, it just shows the desperation on GMPs part.

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it certainly does take gmp ages to respond… but the whole outfit appears to have dodgy for awhile(remember those worthless panamanian cheques?)

as an aside webmasters can just move their sites over to signature(flip the script?) i thought there were restrictions… i thought signature was equivalent to ugas platinum in requirements etc.

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The surfer may not be lying. If he happens to be in Australia, the exchange rate can really gouge them and add up. If he bought a two-year Signature and then got dinged for the GayPlayce at $39.95, then that would convert to $66 AUD at today’s exchange rate.

I also remember making great sales on those mailers they used to send out, but you could never count on them going out. I’m back pushing Mancheck and doing well now that the old gang is back managing the company.

Cheers
Michael

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I’ve talked to Mike at GMP this afternoon. He should be contacting you, Bjorn, probably via email.
First off, I do not work FOR GMP, I’m a webmaster just like you are. Let me try to explain some of the things that have been explained to me in the past:
Switch to Signature, this is an automatic process. When regular GMP members get to your sign-in script page, and put their regular GMP ID and password in they are being redirected to a special Signature Sign-Up page, which states the site is now using Signature and offer them a discounted membership to Signature. As for the Gayplace or VIP trial memberships that are offered when signing up to either GMP or GMP Signature, the drop-down box where the surfers choose their type of membership (1 year, 2 year or lifetime) clearly states that membership includes a 1 week trial to either VIP or GayPlace and that the trial membership will be renewed at the end of the trial at the membership rate (forgot what the rate is, but it is clearly stated). Once the surfers finishes signing up the welcome email clearly explains how to cancel the Gayplace or VIP membership, they can either reply to that email and cancel the trial or call them to cancel. I actually signed up a little while ago and simply cancelled the trial (yes I informed them about me signing up so they could cancel the membership after I signed up, so I could check out their process). This is what is stated on the signup page:

All Signature/GayPlayce memberships recur at the standard monthly rate if not cancelled or resigned within the trial period. The charges will appear on your credit card statement as SINETSRVCS +866.445.2985

As for the surfers being ‘duped’ by having to sign up for Signature, I don’t feel that is true, it is up to the webmaster to inform directories/link list owners about their switch to Signature so the directory/linklist owners can update their listings and database correctly. I know I have informed people about me switching from GMP to Signature when I switched (yes I also emailed gaydemon.com without a response when I did the switch) so I really don’t see how the surfer is being duped, as long as the webmaster informs all that need to know, surfers will know they are visiting a Signature site, not a regular GMP site. The login page displaced on the website’s script page displays the Signature login/signup page, NOT the regular GMP login.singup page, this is doen automatically. The switch really is no different from switching from one AVS to another, it is the website owners responsibility to inform other webmasters listing their sites that a change like that was made.
Hope that makes sense.

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We were asked if we wanted to convert ALL our avs sites from GMP Regular to Signature but were away at the time etc, then they said to us we are busy at present so no more will be switched. Then we hear there are NO requirements for signature, eg a new site thats added that only contains 50 pics is automatically listed as signature now etc etc
As always support is pathetic and unprofessional. But generally after 4 or more repeat emails to ALL email addresses someone will respond.

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[QUOTE=peterf;48460]We were asked if we wanted to convert ALL our avs sites from GMP Regular to Signature but were away at the time etc, then they said to us we are busy at present so no more will be switched. Then we hear there are NO requirements for signature, eg a new site thats added that only contains 50 pics is automatically listed as signature now etc etc
As always support is pathetic and unprofessional. But generally after 4 or more repeat emails to ALL email addresses someone will respond.[/QUOTE]

A lot of webmasters are switching to Signature. However I was told that from the moment forward (after the switch was made) all my new sites would have to be added as signature sites, which kinda makes sense. From that time forward minimum number of pictures should be (around) 300 or around 15 minutes of videos. So there not being requirements does not sound like that came from GMP staff, hear say is always a dangerous thing to quote.
If you have problems getting emails answered try calling their webmaster support number during regular business hours at 310-889-0828. That number is usually answered during business hours (for webmaster support only).

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Of course it’s true. When Signature first emerged on the scene webmasters needed to have 300 pictures. You couldn’t show any cock outside. Images had to be at least 800 pixels on the long side and they didn’t want a gallery stuffed with similar images and poses.

So Signature was a premium brand and the surfers could expect premium quality galleries for their money.

Then a couple of months later, they invited webmasters to flip existing GMP sites and the rules were overlooked. Virtually any site you wanted to flip could become a Signature site. So how is that not duping the surfer? It’s not much different that sticking a Nike logo on a Payless shoe.

And this is not hearsay, I read it in an e-mail from GMP.

Michael

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When a surfer visits a flipped site they clearly see that the signup/signin page is Signature, nowhere does it say it is a regular GMP site. After the switch is completed the regular GMP script is no longer displayed on the script page of the website the surfer is visiting. It is the owner’s responsibility to make sure that directories and lists they are listed on are informed that AVS has changed from GMP to Signature. IF the surfer is being duped it’s by the owner/webmaster, not GMP but unless there is information on the site in question that gives inaccurate information to the surfer, it is the owner’s responsibility to update that information.
We as webmaster are responsible what is displayed on our sites, including claims made to sell AVS memberships. If a webmaster flips to Signature but leaves all previous information(trying to sell regular GMP membership) on their script page, they need to change that, GMP has no control over that. So if the surfer is duped, it’s by the owner/webmaster, not GMP, that is what I’ve been saying.

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[QUOTE=dzinerbear;48478]Of course it’s true. When Signature first emerged on the scene webmasters needed to have 300 pictures. You couldn’t show any cock outside. Images had to be at least 800 pixels on the long side and they didn’t want a gallery stuffed with similar images and poses.

So Signature was a premium brand and the surfers could expect premium quality galleries for their money.

Then a couple of months later, they invited webmasters to flip existing GMP sites and the rules were overlooked. Virtually any site you wanted to flip could become a Signature site. So how is that not duping the surfer? It’s not much different that sticking a Nike logo on a Payless shoe.

And this is not hearsay, I read it in an e-mail from GMP.

Michael[/QUOTE]

i hadn’t heard about all these shenanigans regarding switching scripts.

i never got an email about this gmp(what else is new?)

so let me get this straight(so to speak)…

old gmp sites can be flipped to gmp signature sites?
new signature sites are not required to meet the stated guidelines of 300 pics etc? ie a 50 pic site can now get a gmp signature script?

if that’s the case i really, really, do not understand the business model that’s being applied. why not follow ugas platinum site model?

it looks to me that if any surfer is sucker enough purchase a regular gmp membership then he’s screwed because most webmasters will now be getting signature scripts.

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[quote=dirkpeddler;48458]I’ve talked to Mike at GMP this afternoon. He should be contacting you, Bjorn, probably via email.
First off, I do not work FOR…[/quote]

Thanks for asking him. I’ve not yet heard from him.

I do understand that you’re not working with them and that your just trying to explain. But my issue is even with your explenation it leaves me confused. If I can’t figure it out with your help and my experiance how the hell will surfers?

I don’t actually have or run any AVS sites, I just sell memberships by listing GMP sites on GayDemon. I don’t build them. So there is nothing for me to switch. I’ve yet to recieve ANY information from GMP about these changes.

Bottom line is, I feel its wrong to sell one type of membership to surfers then suddenly change their business strategy and convert many / all new sites to another type of membership.

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[QUOTE=gaydemon;48504]Thanks for asking him. I’ve not yet heard from him.

I do understand that you’re not working with them and that your just trying to explain. But my issue is even with your explenation it leaves me confused. If I can’t figure it out with your help and my experiance how the hell will surfers?

I don’t actually have or run any AVS sites, I just sell memberships by listing GMP sites on GayDemon. I don’t build them. So there is nothing for me to switch. I’ve yet to recieve ANY information from GMP about these changes.

Bottom line is, I feel its wrong to sell one type of membership to surfers then suddenly change their business strategy and convert many / all new sites to another type of membership.[/QUOTE]

I think that is what maybe is the issue. As far as I know they’ve only offered webmasters that have multiple sites on the same domain, using regular GMP as their AVS the OPTION to switch them to Signature instead with the understanding that from the switch forward they can only submit Signature sites. The requirements have not been changed by them, the minimum is still 300 images or 15 minutes of videos. They explained that they would offer this option since the domain used for sites meets the criteria of having 300 images and/or 15 minutes of video. Since the old GMP script will no longer produce the old signin/signup page but automatically displays the new Signature page on the site, they are not ‘pretending’ to be a GMP site but are now a Signature site. So they view the webmaster’s domain more as the main hub for the sites. Webmaster continues to earn whatever recurring VIP they have from the old scripts. Surfers bought a membership to GMP and still have access to regular GMP sites, as from the globalmalepass.com websites there are over 130,000 sites, and 14,644 of those are Signature sites, less then 10%, today. Those Signature sites include newly added sites. As for you switching to get a flagscript to sell Signature I’m sure they will be more then willing to set that up for you. I also send you a Privat Message here, maybe you can reply to that and include your regular email address or a number I can forward to Mike. Or open a support ticket in the GMP webmaster chamber.

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I’ve send you a PM with my email address. But as I said I did email him and not heard anything. I really don’t mind being proved wrong.

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Your own reputation is more important than anything else. I know that you do everything possible to protect your surfers, which is why you became so popular in the first place.

Do whatever you feel is best and do not second guess yourself.

Good luck getting it all sorted out!