Re: Is giving away full length video a new trend to make surfers happy?
About 99,9% of TOP 10 videogames out there are simulating war/fight that involves killing people.
Does it make you a killer in the real life? Nope.
Re: Is giving away full length video a new trend to make surfers happy?
[quote=InsaneSimon;44048]About 99,9% of TOP 10 videogames out there are simulating war/fight that involves killing people.
Does it make you a killer in the real life? Nope.[/quote]
Good Lord, the comment isn’t about some stupid video game, isn’t about role playing in some BDSM dungeon, the comment by RDude was about the legality of simulated rape and child porn. And frankly that IS disgusting.
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Try to apply my example to it. Even killing people is disgusting, but videogames are about that. And people have fun playing them.
It could be the same for SIMULATED cp action, even - i agree on that - if disgusting.
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Whatever a couple or group of people do in the comfort of their own home is none of anyone else’s business. Providing no innocent people are hurt. Which includes someone not being overpowered by someone much stronger than they are.
However, where is the line drawn when simulating something as disgusting as child pornography for others to watch? What does this do for the psyche of the viewer? Does it provide a justification for them to go out and find a real child to have sex with? I tend to think so.
Kink is kink, and fetish is fetish. But even someone as kinky as myself cannot justify sex with a child. Meaning: anyone under the age of 18 at least. Of course, I have always liked older men and women anyway.
Just my opinion on it. Keep it in the home as long as it’s all in fun and not real. When it leaves the home, it becomes a problem from the way I see it.
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Gay people are disgusting to many people (like my parents). One person’s view of disgusting, even a group of people’s view of disgusting, isn’t sufficient basis to pass a law.
The standard should be 1) was it consensual? and 2) was anyone hurt by it? (in a way not intended by the person who was hurt).
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[quote=rawTOP;44052]Gay people are disgusting to many people (like my parents). One person’s view of disgusting, even a group of people’s view of disgusting, isn’t sufficient basis to pass a law.
The standard should be 1) was it consensual? and 2) was anyone hurt by it? (in a way not intended by the person who was hurt).[/quote]
A typical ducking of the question, again.
So just where do you draw the line? Simulated Rape & Child Porn is okay, because IT IS NOT REAL? Are you really saying that?
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Not sure, but Aschroft vs. FSC overturned the 1996 ban.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition
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The Simulated CP case is complex. CPPA of 1996 put severe limitations on the First Amendment, possibly making even a play Romeo and Juliet against the law.
Here is part of the ruling,
“The Court concluded that the “CPPA prohibits speech despite its serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.” In particular, it prohibits the visual depiction of teenagers engaged in sexual activity, a “fact of modern society and has been a theme in art and literature throughout the ages.” Such depictions include performances of Romeo and Juliet, by William Shakespeare; the 1996 film William Shakespeare’s Romeo + Juliet, directed by Baz Luhrmann; and the Academy Award winning movies Traffic and American Beauty. “If these films, or hundreds of others of lesser note that explore those subjects, contain a single graphic depiction of sexual activity within the statutory definition, the possessor of the film would be subject to severe punishment without inquiry into the work’s redeeming value. This is inconsistent with an essential First Amendment rule: The artistic merit of a work does not depend on the presence of a single explicit scene.””
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I’ll always stick to the bigger picture in stuff like this. It hits on fundamental issues - lose track of those and you can wind up violating people’s basic rights…
I was just thinking in terms of simulated rape when I wrote my initial reaction. Simulated rape is at the heart of a lot of BDSM - it’s hardly evil. But in thinking about it, simulated CP pretty much follows the same lines…
If someone wants to take an 18 y.o. that looks 16, shave his pubes, put him in a playroom with toys for 6 year olds, and film it… Whatever… Frankly, I’m not seeing the difference between that and diaper fetish that’s popular among straight people. It’s not like they go home and want to molest anything that happens to be in a diaper…
I still go back to the fact that when I was 22 I wasn’t ready for porn, yet I was in it, while there are 17 y.o. guys who are ready for it. The law is imperfect and always will be. It’s really about the individuals involved.
Prove to me that watching simulated rape causes you to commit rape or watching simulated CP causes you to become predator, and I may change my mind. But it’s probably more like simulated violence in video games doesn’t cause you to become a killer… I emphasize cause because rapists may like to view simulated rape, killers may like violent video games, but it’s not a causal relationship…
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Mainstream movies have simulated rape scenes. Where an X-rated differs is that in some jurisdictions it maybe considered obscene.
I don’t feel that movie like this reflect healthy sexual behavior that is good for our industry. But, on the other hand, It’s probably safer to the models to film a scene like this with condoms than a bareback scene. I am just not sure that these types of videos reflect positively on our industry.
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[QUOTE=gaydemon;44016]I’m still waiting for a intensecash sale on my Tube site! Other sites have sold already. 
One question though, how can anyone accept User generated or uploaded content and do so legally? How do you know the age of the person in a video if you have no proper documentation? How do you know what happens in the video is legal?[/QUOTE]
I am seeing the average BSB video has gotten about 100 views. I can get you some more videos to get the views up.
As far as the legal questions, I am not sure about that one and is one of the reasons that I will probably never open a tube site. I would guess that Tube Sites are taking the ISP approach in their legal arguments. I mean, how does one know that a profile on any adult hookup site is over the age of age?
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The movie poster for Gone With The Wind depicts the moment when Ret Butler rapes Scarlett O’Hara…
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Simulated CP could be Romeo and Juliet.
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First off, I didn’t read anything in Rawtop’s post that implied that he supports simulated CP. He spoke to BDSM fantasy, which often includes fantasies involving control and lack of consent and so forth.
My inference from what he said was that he’s speaking to the bigger issue, which is the right of people to freely express themselves, and he actually clarified that position in a later post.
I’m a little surprised that people who work in the adult industry are taking such strong positions. I’m pretty vehemently opposed to rape and to CP, and as far as my personal tastes, content that portrays rape or CP, even in a fantasy setting, isn’t conveying positive, healthy things, and I wish there wasn’t demand, and that people didn’t fulfill that demand.
As far as CP, I do believe that laws banning simulated CP are a good thing, and I can see a pretty clear argument as to why limiting speech as it relates to simulated CP is justifiable, because it’s dealing with potential harm to children (i.e., the imagery created might have an effect on perpetrators.)
However, it becomes a very slippery slope when we talk about limiting speech for other objectionable things, and while I’m just as opposed to rape as I am to CP, I can, for myself, see a slightly different place there. And then, where do you draw the line? There are a ton of “straight guys going gay” sites that have fantasies (or perhaps, in some cases, real situations) where a straight guy is coaxed, encouraged, or even coerced into doing things that he isn’t comfortable doing, and I don’t think that sends a positive message to viewers either (not to mention, to the extent the performers really are straight, possibly causing them psychological confusion). And then there’s the “guy drugged and taken advantage of” or “guy molested while he’s asleep” sites as well, yet you rarely hear anybody bitching about any of those sites.
I could argue that the fantasy of convincing a straight boy, as well as the fantasy of drugging or otherwise going after someone who isn’t conscious isn’t necessarily a positive and healthy message either.
It’s very complicated for me… I’m not in favor of banning straight-boy-goes-gay content, and while I’m not comfortable with rape content, and even some BDSM content, I’m not comfortable saying it should be banned either. And I feel the same way about bareback.
But even though I don’t particularly think that such content should be produced, I defend the right of people to do so.
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[QUOTE=abostonboy;43994]
The market for Tube sites is very competitive now. All I was saying in my original post is that I feel offering true amateur uploads would help a tube site more than full length sponsor videos.[/QUOTE]
Thax Lloyd,
I have wanted to add a feature that allows user uploads, I just worry about the type of content and how and community site can be used to do ‘Real’ Bad things. This is the reason I have held off on doing that, but am starting to think you guys are right.
As far as these other things, let me just say my program was created on the most ‘legal’ foundation of its time, and still has less ‘Real’ bad things that just about any community site ever created.
The content is all regulated at least in some way, so in case of a Real problem it could be tracked. I also do believe in offering divers legal content to viewers and not censer it very much (I do have limits CP, bestiality, and Scat) But their too if its done in a bit more mainstream way I might look at it, as in guys JO set next to a puppy can be really Cute.
I do believe content creators should have a open legal field to work with-in, and that viewers worry much less about these things
or still watch it in the same way people watch the Jerry Springer Show, or roving freak shows back in the middle ages. Its yet again just how the world works…
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i strongly believe that tube sites should not offer downloads. it may get you ahead for a very brief period, but when others with tons more traffic and money do it, you’ll be back on the same playing field you were on before the downloads but it will be harder to sell memberships for all affiliates.
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Not only that if tubes are allowed to offer downloads, soon they will try to replace the members site model with their own internal programs.
I also worry about what can be done with paid placement in tubes but starting to worry less about this as it does seem the sponsors still do maintain some control over the systems. I have just always worried once a large tube can generate profit from placement alone it could also throw the whole system out of whack as it soon becomes much less about making ‘sales’ at all.
I guess in a way it a ‘lesser or two evils’ kind of thing in the long run, but from what I know all this (Tube Stuff)can be very productive for program owners.
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I own gayboystube.com what do you guys think about that? I know Rock Candy Entertainment owns gayboytube.com but I bought my domain first, and they have taken this url offline I assume because I might very will start using it.
Does everyone like the name? and does Rock Candy Entertainment kind of expect this already?
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The BSB videos have had 4100 views, with a view to click ratio of 1 in 9 (which is great) but when they hit the site they dont signup.
Maybe have to get some better vidoes but then the traffic is going to BSB just not signing up…
ISP approach probably is what the larger Tube site videos do. I guess its the way to do it.
[quote=abostonboy;44062]I am seeing the average BSB video has gotten about 100 views. I can get you some more videos to get the views up.
As far as the legal questions, I am not sure about that one and is one of the reasons that I will probably never open a tube site. I would guess that Tube Sites are taking the ISP approach in their legal arguments. I mean, how does one know that a profile on any adult hookup site is over the age of age?[/quote]
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one thing you might try is looking in archive.org and seeing what they were doing with it. If you have a subscription to domaintools.com, you can see a history of ownership of the domain and tie that to what’s on archive and get a picture of when and maybe even why the site went offline.
I would feel uncomfortable branding a site called gayboystube when someone else owns gayboytube; you might put a ton of $ into branding your site, then the owner of the other site sees what you’re doing and decides to cash in on your branding, and there isn’t much you can do about it. If you can buy the domain from him, then you have a better shot at controlling your branding.