Only the GayDemon link gives the error. If you enter the actual site name URL it’s still there.
Hello, yes thanks
About the initial question (i.e. how to find a way for users to pay to access such content), I received an answer from CCBill today, they say that they can’t even accept to process it with ACH or EuroDebit, because anyway it is their “acquiring bank” that will refuse it.
(They call it “voyeur content”.)
I found a list of “best ccbill alternatives” (easy to find with ggl)…
Don’t you think it will be a bit difficult or pointless if other larger companies failed in having such a site? Isn’t that a sign that it’s better not to do it?
I think that other companies or sites just don’t want to bother with such content, because it’s too much difficult and anyway it would not earn much money.
I my case it’s very different, because if I could earn “only” 100$/month thanks to my “sleeping” content (already existing), then it would make like 15% increase of monthly revenue (for all my revenues) and it would change things significantly.
I never understood how the other sites manage to earn a lot of money (if they do).
I guess it’s mostly thanks to promotion. The site design is important too, but I’m trying to improve it as much as I can.
And of course the content is mostly important, but that’s OK, my members love my content.
Anyway in 99,99% of the boys sites existing I simply don’t understand… The boys or men are too old for me (hairy and so on), or “too much gay” (for me). Maybe the love for 18-22 y.o. STRAIGHT boys is something very unusual and I’m not even aware of that.
AFAIK, the problem with sleeping boy sites is consent. You can’t consent to have sex when you’re asleep, legally. Of course it’s all staged and there is consent, but the appearance of it being non-consensual is what scares billers.
Hello and thanks, yes it’s exactly that.
And they don’t want to bother verifying whether there is actual content or not.
For them, it “looks like” non-consensual.
Even if the “non-consensuality” was “staged”, I guess that it would be enough to scare the billers.
That’s why I’m looking for a system that would accept only ACH and Direct Debit (or phone or whatever), where maybe they are not annoyed with that.
There are possibilities with Bitcoin, but the problem is that few customers use that.
And Paypal is a real pain, there are always problems with them and they freeze the account during years, for any reason…
Jay is right. Here is a quote from Mastercard standards
Merchants must not market the content of websites , or permit content search terms, to give the impression that the content contains child exploitation material or the depiction of non-consensual activities.
It is very black and white. So you will need to find a biller that has no ties to the card networks. No biller is going to risk their bank and card agreements for a site that brings in a few hundred dollars a month.
Sorry to be brutal, but you will get nowhere with this. In the time this thread has been running you could have set up a blog and got an affiliate sale somewhere and still made more money than you would trying to monetise the content you have.
Hello Jay and thanks for these details and thoughts.
Yes the only way is to find a biller or something without ties with card networks then.
That’s what I’m trying to do with this thread (and with many researches with various billers, who all rejected).
I already have a website which runs normally, youngstraightboys dot com.
But simply there is that additional content which is “sleeping”, so to say, and which could could bring the few bucks that would make a useful difference.
Because despite all my efforts with the “regular site” during one year, I cannot manage to make it earn more money, and that money, is barely enough to pay the bills and all, so I’m trying other “ideas” and there is that content which remains unused.
Additionally, there are people who would like to access it and who are ok to pay for that, but who are deterred when they see that the only way is to use Bitcoin. Few people use that.
Thanks anyway.
I think it’s unwise to start something that are seen as unacceptable or banned content for billing companies.
Hello and thanks.
Maybe…
It’s not about starting but continuing, and it was perfectly acceptable in the past (I started almost 20 years ago with that).
There is a sort of “dictatorship” of the mighty who decide what is good and what is bad (I’m referring to the banks and so on, not to you :-)).
Yes maye it’s not wise or not a good idea or whatever but I just need to pay the bills and that content is not illegal, it also had a cost that I would like to cover decently.
But I stopped recording that, given that it’s so difficult.
Thanks.
MC even makes paysites responsible for what is on affiliate sites, and they are starting to enforce their rules with a firmer hand recently, so i would join my voice to those who think it best to stay clear. banks and card companies do have too much input into what we all can do and say, but as they process our txns at their pleasure, there are big risks in ignoring them
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OK thank you, maybe the best is to close this topic…
Of course I would not start such things nowadays from scratch, it would be stupid.
I will continue that site with only Bitcoin and no relations with other billers (who would all refuse anyway).
(to close or even to remove this topic, as I don’t want to create any problem here - thanks)
Rob’s comment makes me wonder whether affiliates can do the marketing that the site owner can’t. Basically the scenes wouldn’t be on the tour - but promo materials could be distributed to affiliates who promote the scenes and get the word out.
Changing topics slightly - how does TIM get away with KOJO (Knocked Out, Jacked Off)?
About promotion, yes maybe, I don’t know…
IMO people are specialized in what they know best how to do…
For example, I assume that there are people who are very good in business, promotion, social media and social things, but who are much less good in finding (str8) boys and filming them and so on, and vice-versa.
Same about site design. The guys who are very good in that, may be less good in “production” (scouting and filming), or they simply don’t have the time for that.
In the past, it was possible for a single guy (like me) to do all (scouting, filming, promoting) because things were quite simple, rather easy to do.
I was even in the 1st page (or sometimes 2nd page) of Google for “teenboys”, before 2008, without having any notion of SEO, and my site design was simply crap (much worse than now), it was just static, no PHP.
Nowadays things are very sophisticated and I have the feeling that only the very big things (or companies) can continue, so they have at least one person for each sector (production, site design and management), and promotion.
What was possible to do for a single guy in the past is now simply impossible because one would have to be extremely specialized and good in each sector.
I cannot do that. This is why I assume(d) that affiliates could be interested and that it would work (I’m referring to my “regular” site, youngstraightboys, not to boysvoyeur, let’s forget about that because it creates too many problems and disagreement).
Yes the promotion content should be on the affiliate sites or pages, it was working like that in the past, for example with all the Russian sites (like Mike18, AaronCute…), these sites did not really have a “tour”, just some images showing many boys on the same image.
However, in my case if I remove the images and clips from the preview (or if I leave only 1 or 2 per boy), probably the sales will go down. Or maybe there are too many free pictures (even if the sex is +/- censored). Difficult to know…
IMO the biggest problem is the lack of traffic. Once a user is on my site, there is +/- 1 chance in 50 that he will sign-up. (I have about 50 visits (only!) per day and about 1 signup per day.)
So if an affiliate uses a few pictures or clips from my preview area, why people would not click and land to the site ? This content is rather original (IMO) and there are enough customers who like that (some of them are following me since more than 10-15 years).
The only problem is: how to find new customers who would love the content but who simply don’t know it is existing…
Maybe I’m wrong but IMO placing just a few images or something somewhere for promotion should work.
The few sites who make advertisement for YSB (like GayDemon review does) probably can see that the ratio of signups/visits is very good. I’ve read that 1:100 is good, so I guess that 1:50 is excellent.
But if there is no promo, no display, of course it cannot work, it is like the lottery, if you don’t play, you cannot win 
Thanks.
I dont think it would work since the billers these days very regularly check content inside of our members areas as paysites, so just hiding it from a tour wouldn’t pass…
To answer your question regarding KOJO content… its free with a free membership… If you look you will find “TOO CONTROVERSIAL - NOW AVAILABLE FREE!” under all the video previews…
Thank you Daniel.
But I did not understand why you wrote “I dont think it would work since the billers these days very regularly check content inside of our members areas as paysites, so just hiding it from a tour wouldn’t pass…”…
No one mentioned that idea in the thread…
Anyway with all my sites it’s possible to know exactly what is inside Members area, for any web user (they can browse it but they cannot open the videos and pictures in big size without password - in other words, they can see only miniatures).
And anyway my conclusion to this topic is that the only solution available to “monetize” the “sleeping content” that I have (and which has a value) is crypto.
I can pay my hosting company with cryptos (74 $ / month) so if my sleeping content can earn at least 74 $ / month, it’s fine. It would relieve me of finding that money each month, which is about 10% of what I earn. Given all the fixed expenses (like the rent to pay), it is an important amount for me.
Certainly most readers here make more money with their sites. I simply have no idea about how to do. I’m trying all I can.
So, I can just propose affiliation. Those who “resell” my site YoungStraightBoys can probably see that the signup ratio is about 1:50, which IMO is very good.
Thanks and sorry if anything.
Hey Sorry my reply was directed at jay who had said;
“Rob’s comment makes me wonder whether affiliates can do the marketing that the site owner can’t. Basically the scenes wouldn’t be on the tour - but promo materials could be distributed to affiliates who promote the scenes and get the word out.”
Which implied to me hiding the content in the members area away from the tours (something which might have worked 10 years ago but not these days)…
With regards to your comments about growing your sales, its a long journey, and your comments earlier about doing multiple jobs and needing to be a master of all is actually more the common place these days. There are still those in the industry with huge teams but there are also some of us just working very long hours with a very small team to get everything done.
We have seen our studio’s FrenchTwinks grow from a 1 man team to a 4 man team in 9 years and only in the past year has the 4th person come on board. Believe me most here share your frustrations at what billers expect of us or the amount of work needed in 2022 compared to “the good old days” of porn… but its the world we are living in.
On a lighter note… I have just signed up to your affiliate program, I will try incorporate some of content into one of my blogs if I get time soon
Dear Daniel, thank you very much for all these clarifications and thoughts
And thanks also for signing as a reseller
There is not much promo content, but maybe at least a banner is better than nothing.
“Every little helps”, and, yeah, the “good old days” are gone, but as long as one can survive (pay the bills (food, home…) and the boys and server and some hardware), that’s OK for me
Regarding the “sleeping content”, well, I know that I’m a bit stubborn sometimes, there are many people here (in the topic) who said that it was not a good idea, and indeed there is not much to do with that. Sometimes some customers (Members) ask me how to access my “sleeping” site, and there is always a way to make some “manual” transaction and subscription.
Regarding my main site (YSB), apparently it’s not the cup of tea for many, but the few who like that (str8 boys 20 y.o. being fondled and often sucked), they really love it. Some of them are following me since more than 10 years. Recently I even got a “Sponsor” (from the USA) who pays all the costs of new shooting sessions (about twice per month), which is really good. In “exchange”, he can enjoy the stuff he paid for, exclusive for him, during one year. And after that I publish it for other Members. One has to be creative (Although the idea of “sponsors” or “patrons” is not new…)
Thanks for reading.