So, which NATS sponsors offer CCBILL payouts?
Anyone?
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I’m not sure why any program running Nats would do this and I’m not even sure it is possible in Nats.
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A CCBill program that wants the NATS stats features but doesn’t want to get their own merchant account and make payouts. TMM added that feature a few months ago.
Jimmy
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Yes it’s possible… for few months now… Why would anyone do this? Well… there are some affiliates, rather big one, like me and few that I know who are sick of chasing, begging and asking different “respected” programs for their hard earned cash and who have had very bad luck with independent programs so they decide (like me) not to join any of them again, and prefer to promote sponsors that payout via CCBILL… you might think that’s rare and stupid, but it’s a personal choice.
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Hardly stupid at all.
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I didn’t know they added that feature. I don’t think it is stupid to only promote CCBill programs but for instance IntenseCash has never missed a single payment and has weekly on time payments. There is many other programs that have never missed a payment so I think not promoting those programs is a loss of money for those who chose not to.
Mark
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See…exactly what I said… you don’t think it’s stupid but I am supposedly losing money because I am choosing not to promote NATS sites… well anyway… I wish there were some gay NATS sponsors that offered CCBILL payouts, because in straight niche there are quite a few…
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It’s not stupid because it’s a personal choice. You are choosing to leave money on the table (in my opinion) and that’s definitely your prerogative.
It’s similar to how I won’t do business with some companies because I disagree with their ethics and perhaps I’m leaving money on the table there, but that’s my choice.
You talk about “respected” programs that you have to chase to get paid… I’d like to hear who they are 
If you stick with programs like ours and Intensecash (there are others also), then you’ll never have to chase a payout and you’ll make more money with the same traffic.
Anyways, back to the topic: I don’t know any gay programs that offer CCbill payouts. We considered it on Indiebucks but decided that it was too much hassle. We haven’t missed a payment in 10 years and anyone who’s ever done business with us will confirm this… so I feel if this is not enough to warrant some trust, then don’t promote us.
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Having a ccbill option would be handy for some of us smaller site owners. The increasing migration to NATS does impact on cash flow.
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[QUOTE=Jay_StandAhead;107480]It’s not stupid because it’s a personal choice. You are choosing to leave money on the table (in my opinion) and that’s definitely your prerogative.
It’s similar to how I won’t do business with some companies because I disagree with their ethics and perhaps I’m leaving money on the table there, but that’s my choice.
You talk about “respected” programs that you have to chase to get paid… I’d like to hear who they are If you stick with programs like ours and Intensecash (there are others also), then you’ll never have to chase a payout and you’ll make more money with the same traffic.
Anyways, back to the topic: I don’t know any gay programs that offer CCbill payouts. We considered it on Indiebucks but decided that it was too much hassle. We haven’t missed a payment in 10 years and anyone who’s ever done business with us will confirm this… so I feel if this is not enough to warrant some trust, then don’t promote us.[/QUOTE]
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I won’t be naming any names, because these issues are not new, but old, also I am sure you’ve read of many gay companies that have fucked up their affiliates in last few years…
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Just because I don’t promote a certain site that does NOT mean I am losing money. What if your sites are not converting for me? If that logic was correct then If I wanted to make the most money that I can I should be promoting every gay site there is. Very weird way of thinking, don’t you think so? Then every affiliate should be promoting every possible gay site known to exist… I am not losing money by not joining Intense Cash or Indie Bucks, I have 25 CCBILL sites that I love to promote and that bring me nice income.
Now, let’s get back to the topic …
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We have $10 minimum payouts on all our programs specifically to address the issue of cashflow for smaller affiliates
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Do you seriously not get the point? Nobody is saying you must promote every site out there. We’re not saying that in your case our sites would make you more either. We’re saying that as a general rule, if you impose restrictions on who your promote based on their platform, you are bound to overlook sites that would possibly convert better. Take this into consideration: There are thousands of sites on NATS, it allows for better cascading and etc. Not to mention that CCbill only tracks with cookies so sales are inevitably lost to their technical limitations. (I’ve seen this first hand when we switched some CCbill sites - sales attributes to affiliates increased)
Anyways, if you don’t get this simple principle, forgive me for having wasted your time 
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Which on paper sounds really good. I agree with Aniehoff, that using sponsors who payout through ccBill is more economical, and benficial for smaller affiliates. I too, wish that NATS sponsors would payout using ccBill or Epoch, as both allow for consolidation of sales from sponsors, unlike NATS.
For example, if I took advantage of that $10 minimum, and promoted all of Stunner Media sites, and made that $10 for each NATS version, that would mean I made $40, that supposdely I wouldn’t have made from ccBill promoting of your sites. However, that $40 costs me $8, that under ccBill wouldn’t be added to my cost.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand the $2 charge for a cheque, but that is 20% on a low payout of $10. For smaller affiliates that means they work hard, but for a lot less, than if the program was paid out from ccBill.
Considering that Revshare sites, rebill or return about $14 a sale, if I used ccBill as the payout firm, I could make 2 sales for anyone and get paid as the ccbill threshold is $25. The cost would be a buck I think or less. If I made one Boycrush rebill, one Indiebucks sale, my cost goes to $4 for the same transactions.
That cost, reasonable, just is less money for the smaller guy who is counting pennies, not dollars. Hence the preference for ccBill as the payout choice. Now if NATS minimums could be lowered to the same level as ccBill, at similar costs, then perhaps it would make more sense. Specially if sites had mulitple NATS programs for those sites.
just my personal opinion.
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Just a note first: Any payout option with a minimum of $100 or more is FREE on all Stunner Media programs (including wires)
I do understand you point about the payout fees and while your example is at one extreme, I think that on average the fees will be more in line with CCbill’s fees. If we consider added sales due to cascading and better tracking, I think our payouts on the $10min option will be “free”.
Those who promote us on revshare know that our retention is nothing short of spectacular… so if you have a couple active members it probably makes sense for you to have a $25 min payout on our programs, reducing the % eaten up by fees. And if you rack up 7 active members, you can switch to $100 checks and have one payment per month, free of charge
If we had monthly payouts I’d have no fees on those small checks. But since we have hundreds of checks to send twice / month already, the burden added by small checks makes it impossible at this point to go with free payouts on those. (We have competitors claiming “low fees” of $4 on their $100-200 min. checks too… I think we’re doing much more for the small guys than anyone else!)
I’ll keep bugging TMM about developing an account grouping feature
And back to the topic… I understand all the reasons to prefer CCbill. It’s simpler for payouts and grouping… but you’re missing out on great converting sites. Let me tell you a little story: Back in 2001 I was promoting sites on paid listing and I had a rule to only use PPS sites (back then, all members area sucked and I was worried about not getting paid). I missed out on promoting a certain reality site that took the industry by storm because of that, and that cost me/us dearly. It turns out that it would have sold at least twice as well, doubling our revenues over time. The next time a nice site came along on the straight side, it was collegefuckfest. I promoted it on revshare and soon I was making 200 sales / day on that site alone, compared to 50-60/day usually on the same paid spots. Imagine what I wouldn’t have made if I didn’t promote Brokestraightboys in its glory days… ouch!
While the numbers in my example above are high - they are the illustrating my point perfectly I think Even if it’s 1 sale per month, doubling sales = doubling revenues and I think everyone likes more $$.
My situation might not apply to everyone but I’ve seen it over and over… I’m talking out of experience.
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Dont forget outside the US we have to pay banks for cashing foreign cheques, Here in the UK i pay £10 ($15) per cheque, so I have to make sure the value of the cheque is worth cashing. Its good having a $10 payout limit, but pretty useless outside the US.
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This is another example of where we have CCbill beat - we offer Paxum payments and wires starting at $500 (free).
I’m listening to ideas guys - if our min payout is the only thing stopping you from doing business with us, propose an alternative
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In my case this does not beat CCbill. I can happily make my $1000 pay limit on CCbill every 2-3 weeks, however that is with 100+ different programes. Promoting individual NATS accounts with maybe 3-4 sites can take me months to reach a $100 payout.
I dont have a problem with NATS, or any of the companies that use it. Just in the case of the smaller guys CCBill makes more sense and it would be nice to have the option of CCbill.
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Re: NATS sponsors with CCBILL payouts
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