Is it me, or have offshore designers gotten REALLY lazy/flaky?

I dunno what the deal is, but we’ve been having terrible luck with filipino designers, to the point that I’m pretty much ready to write them all off and either find US-based people or go to a different culture that doesn’t have the constant excuses and laziness that we seem to be experiencing.

We have detailed discussions with all our designers before we start about how we work. We send an email, then we follow up with IM convos so there’s no ambiguity. We send a job and arrange a price.

One guy, halfway through the job, decides that he wants more than twice what he agreed to do the job for, even though the specs hadn’t changed at all.

Another guy, who wasn’t very experienced, did a whole bunch of work for us, which we paid him for at his agreed-upon rate, and he then announced that he had new rates, which were higher than what much more experienced designers were getting. And it wasn’t like he had other people lined up to work with him, either. We tried discussing it with him, but essentially, he’d rather sit and do nothing if he didn’t get his rate.

Most recently, we had a guy who seemed really promising… but after the discussion and agreement on price, he sat on the job for 2 days saying he was “waiting for me to come onto Yahoo chat to discuss a couple questions” (no emails till I pestered him) and now he’s telling me that he doesn’t want to be bothered with email, that the only way he’ll talk to me is on Yahoo chat (which I hate and don’t like to have open.) So we’ve blown him off.

I know of at least a couple other people that have reported the same issues with offshore designers, but it seems, for whatever reason, that the Filipino designers are particularly prone to a million excuses, their parents dying multiple times per year, their relatives in the hospital, and that sort of thing.

And it just galls me to pay middlemen twice or three times the rate that the actual designer is getting. I’d rather pay the designer directly a fair rate.

Are other people having the same sort of issues?

Re: Is it me, or have offshore designers gotten REALLY lazy/flaky?

It’s time to buy American! Why off-shore your design work? Because it’s cheap? :slap:

Re: Is it me, or have offshore designers gotten REALLY lazy/flaky?

actually this year we’ve been working with 2 philippino designers who have made us very happy every step of the way.

for example,
http://www.luckypornreviews.com/reviews/images/lucky-porn-reviews.png
(btw, the toon and logo are from mike at s2odesigns.com)

and frankly, my luck with american designers has been a lot less positive. putting aside price entirely, they seem to think they know better than i what i want and don’t take directions well. they never give me what i ask for, they get surly when i ask for changes on stuff that wasn’t done as per my directions. sometimes they just refuse to do them at all. and the last u.s. designer i used disappeared 3/4s of the way through the project and i had to pay someone else to finish it.

Re: Is it me, or have offshore designers gotten REALLY lazy/flaky?

i havea filapino guy with a crew that works great! www.creationcrew.com ask for carl he kicks ass! No BS and cheap too, not real cheap but nice :slight_smile:

he did my logo that i cut into my avatar, not only designs, but cartoons as well they kick ass :slight_smile:

Re: Is it me, or have offshore designers gotten REALLY lazy/flaky?

I have a guy that I have really enjoyed working with on my newest project, you can see his portfolio at http://designbizz.com/index.php since we are handing out designer recommendations :slight_smile:

Re: Is it me, or have offshore designers gotten REALLY lazy/flaky?

Patti, I have to agree with you… I’ve found a lot of arrogance (and generally a highly inflated sense of worth) among most of the American designers I’ve found.

We don’t have issues with not getting work we’ve paid for because we simply refuse to pay for anything until the work is completed. The really incredible part is that several designers have started work for us, and then completely flaked in the middle of the project… so they never finished, never contacted us again, and obviously never got paid. We even had one that delivered 2 weeks worth of work, complete with source files and everything, and then disappeared (with the 3rd week’s work uncompleted) so he never got paid. We tried for a couple of months but never heard from him again.

I appreciate the input and recommendations, I will check them out…

Re: Is it me, or have offshore designers gotten REALLY lazy/flaky?

I usually try something small with the foreign designers, I usually order the minimum that they have, say it 10-50 bucks, and I will pay up front for that. I tell them at the beginning that if they do good, I will give them more, and I pay up front for the extra work as the performed from the beginning. I try to keep it on paypal for them though, as I know I can get my money back, but it seems to work well, and no one that hasn’t delivered works on a big project.

Re: Is it me, or have offshore designers gotten REALLY lazy/flaky?

I might have a company for you that I can recommend. Just testing them out a 2nd time on a larger scale but so far they are very professional with programmers and reps worldwide.

Re: Is it me, or have offshore designers gotten REALLY lazy/flaky?

I’ve had lazy American designers and lazy overseas designers. Amongst artistic types the tempermental gene seems to be a common theme.

Re: Is it me, or have offshore designers gotten REALLY lazy/flaky?

You are exactly right. No borders are known for crazy designers.