I’m not sure what to make of cam sponsors… After a lot of nothing I was doing well with Video Secrets for a while last year, but now it’s back to a lot of nothing. I figured I’d try AWE - and once again a lot of nothing. Compared to pay sites, cam sponsors feel like playing the lottery - if you don’t win big you lose big. I’m not sure how seriously to take them. I could be giving the ad space to sponsors who have track records of being consistently good performers.
How seriously do you take hit or miss sorta sponsors?
I’ve never been able to crack the Cam market. Just a whole lot of wasted traffic. I suspect with free sites out there like Cam 4, who is going to be bothered paying $12 a minute or more to talk to some guy on a paid cam site. If Cam 4 had an affiliate program, we could probably clean up.
There is one thing that helps to sell cam sites, and that is advertising certain harder to find niches or the fact that models will do ‘exactly what the users want.’ For example I’ve caught a few whales from advertising cam models that will give one on one ‘erotic foot shows’ to gay foot fetish traffic. On a site like Cam4, you can watch guys jerk off, but usually they will tell you to fuck off or ignore you if you try to get them to be your ‘cam slave.’
[QUOTE=rawTOP;88270]I’m not sure what to make of cam sponsors… After a lot of nothing I was doing well with Video Secrets for a while last year, but now it’s back to a lot of nothing. I figured I’d try AWE - and once again a lot of nothing. Compared to pay sites, cam sponsors feel like playing the lottery - if you don’t win big you lose big. I’m not sure how seriously to take them. I could be giving the ad space to sponsors who have track records of being consistently good performers.
How seriously do you take hit or miss sorta sponsors?[/QUOTE]
I’ve never understood them either. I’ve tried all the major ones and never made any sales. Yet I know my traffic sell very well, I have all types of traffic be it TGP, Tube or Reviews… yet none of it sells on their “cam” sites.
Even with my worst paysite sponsor, I am doing better than with any cam or dating site. I guess it’s a completely different market which you have to commit to. It’s not something that can be promoted by putting up a few sidebar links.
Yes you are right there, I’ve never made a cam sale from a banner or text link. Usually the live feeds work the best. It is a totally different thing from selling porn memberships though. There is also definitely a ‘lottery’ factor to it, but there is a lot of money to be made if done right. I did do a lot better with cam sites about 5 years ago though, it is a more difficult sale now but it’s still my top source of income outside of membership sites.
it took me years to figure out how to do well with cams, if you haven’t already signed up with streamate.com I would do so. https://wm.mtree.com/ is their cash program.
they have the best white label out there, they just ask that you give it a solid 3 months of traffic before deciding to pull it or not. we had this one made about 4 months ago and I’m finally doing some sales with cams. I’m not going to say it’s amazing, but it’s traffic I figure I would have never otherwise converted. So if you make them a header graphic, they customize the rest of the site to fit the feel. Here is our girl white label, I already have them working on guy white label: www.worldsbestcams.com
if you want the bigger thumbs like on that site above, you have to ask for it, otherwise they use a smaller format
I promote stremate and do as well with them as I do with Video Secrets, or in other words zero sales in two years with their banners and promo material on most of my sites. (Oh wait, I made $5.00 last year with VS but I’ll never see it because of their minimum payout). I’m with some of the other guys here and am about ready to stop promoting all cam sites in favor of pay site sponsors that have made me money.
don’t get me wrong, i’m not saying that cams sell like wild fire. the sales are not easy to come by BUT, once you get a member you keep them forever so if they login and buy again a year down the road, you get that money. so it takes time to build a member base but once you do, it’s well worth it.
and i 100% agree, i tried promoting streamate’s affiliate program and it was awful. just as bad as AWE. but their white label program with the promo tools you get access too with that, are quite good and really do work… better.
again, i’m not saying it’s great, but its the only way i’ve been able to squeeze sales out of the rock that is the cam world.
Wow! That’s just a tremendous waste of traffic. I mean if that one guy ends up spending $1000 a month, okay. But really. I can think of other places I’d rather send 37,000 clicks.
Ya, I certainly can’t defend the cam market. And while I agree that it may be a waste of traffic, there is also the argument that one who signs up for cams isn’t looking for a paysite, therefore it’s a non-competing ad to slap on a page that you’re already pitching paysites on. To try and help get more $ out of your site. That being said, 1:37k isn’t going to really line your pocket :).
I have VS on some blog plugs and what not, very little, but I went 1:3639 for a grand total of… $6. HAHAHA. I just checked my AWE stats and I went 1:222428 last year for… $6. haha. $12 on those cam programs last year. Now with AWE though, a lot of that was 404. Unfortunately you can’t do year stats on stremate’s normal affiliate program or I’d share that dismal number.
I don’t generally like to talk about specific $ earned (unless its something awesome like $6) but with our stremate whitelabel (worldsbestcams.com - straight) we’ve had 67 signups in the last month and those are all paid transactions. I won’t say how much those earn on average but I’ll say that it was worth shooting them an email.
We replaced all our dating banner spots with their promo tools, and they have some really cool promo tools for the white label that they don’t have for their aff program.
I’m starting to feel like a streamate affiliate rep here, haha. I just wanted to share that after 9 years of not being able to get cam sales I finally found a path that worked for us. Again, it’s not amazing, but it is the only light of hope I found on my time here in adult webmaster land.
I’m 1:93 with Video Secrets (whatever that means - not sure what a ‘sale’ is to them). More importantly I’m 14 cents per click because I got someone last year who spent a lot of money.
I just started promoting AWE late last year - I’m 0:1441 with them. Not that much traffic, but I feel weird promoting them when there are better sponsors to promote…
Yes, good points. I never really thought about cam surfers not looking for the paysite experience.
I’m wonder if ratios are so awful because everyone is trying to bullshit the surfers with the “chat for free” come-on. May if we said something like: “Are you old and lonely? Guys are waiting to talk to you.”
Okay, the old thing is probably going too far, but something a little more honest than “chat for free,” which is essentially honest, but the surfer may not think so when the cam model gives them the cold shoulder because they’re not pulling out their credit card.
I’m not sure I agree with the idea of cam surfers not looking for pay sites and vice versa. A hot guy is a hot guy. If I see a banner or thumbnail for a really hot guy that turns me on, I’ll click on it not caring if it takes me to a live cam or paysite. Maybe that’s just me.