Cummodel.com and their shocking business practices

[mattmonstah]

Firstly, I must state that this is a personal post and nothing whatsoever to do with Monstah Media


I feel this strongly about cummodel.com and their business practices that I feel I must tell the world about it.

I found out today that photos and some made up text about me have appear on cummodel.com which is the modelling site owned and run by Ben Willis and Tim Roberts of forbiddenBlue Ltd.

I have never and will never model for them. I used to model for forbiddenRed when it was privately owned by Michael Burling, when I was employed to do some shoots for various clients but quite a few were done by the 7Blue Studio, who became forbiddenBlue Ltd.

I think this is absolutely shocking and I am waiting for a reply to my email to them with an explanation as to why I am appearing on their model site when I havent given them permission and am not even a model for anyone anymore.

I am not out to spread rumours and this is the truth.

Thank You for reading

Yours

Matt Evans

[MiamiBoyz]

If you have modeled then perhaps you need to review the model release that you signed at the time. Very often you are paid for your images and the model release gives them the option of using your shoot on multiple sites and even selling the shoot to other sites.

Don't know in your case, but a model release is a very complicated legal document. If you did not get a copy of it (normally our models do not request a copy but we are more than happy to give them one upon request) then go back to the original agency and request a copy for your review.

Sorry that you had a bad experience.

[Adam Mason]

Hi Matt

If you don't want to model via this agency have you contacted them to get yourself removed from their site?

I can't see any reason for them to continue to promote you if you don't want to work with them...

All the best,

Adam

[Hammerhead]

The cummodel.com site in question seems to be entirely for affiliate promotion, like a TGP. Every model thumbnail leads to a gallery page with banners that are linked to the affiliate tours of various paysites, not webmaster referral pages.

That seems to be the main focus on the site, not a modelling agency.

[basschick]

you called it. it's basically a free site created to promote sites link high octane, twinks.com and xtra inches. it's not a modeling agency and it states clearly on the site "Some text content on on this site is purely fictional and is for promotional use only..." although i was concerned with their copyright notice.

mattmonstah, if you signed a model release when you did your shoot, the pics can be used for affiliate promotion on sites like this. in fact, it's extremely common for pics to be used this way - more common than any other way i know of.


The cummodel.com site in question seems to be entirely for affiliate promotion, like a TGP. Every model thumbnail leads to a gallery page with banners that are linked to the affiliate tours of various paysites, not webmaster referral pages.

That seems to be the main focus on the site, not a modelling agency.

[mattmonstah]

Thank you all for your replies.

I am indeed awaiting a copy of the model release form to see if this is all legal and above board or not.

But I am still not happy that I am appearing on a site run by forbiddenBlue Ltd that I dont wish to be a part of, dont model for and will never model for.

Surely, people are going to look at that site, find a model they like and ask to book them only to be told that this isnt possible. Isnt this going to make forbiddenblue look very stupid?

This isnt just an issolated case to me, lots of the models appeariing on that site have expressed there interest in not appearing on the site and quite a few of them, like myself are no longer models.

Matt

[mattmonstah]

Also their copyright notice seems very strange:

"All Cum Model branded and unbranded content on this site is copyright CumModel.com All other branded content is copyright to their respective owners. Copyright permission has been sought prior to use of all content. If you believe content on this site to be an infringment of you copyright please email dmca@cummodel.com. Some text content on on this site is purely fictional and is for promotional use only, no offence is intended."

Have forbiddenBlue Ltd got the permission from all the companies who's photoset pictures they are using? Are these companies even aware that the content sold to them is being used on another site? Im not saying that they havent got permission, I am just asking the question to all the companies out there who's content is being used

[gaybucks_chip]

The reality of doing adult work is that, in most cases, once the shoot is finished and paid for and the release signed, you have zero control over what happens to your content. The adult model releases I've seen are all very broad form that allow the content to be used in any way, shape, or form, with or without accurate bio information. Your pics and videos can be sold, resold, plastered on billboards, put in magazines, posted on dating sites, pretty much anything the studio or rightsholder wants to do with them.

The model release we use is very detailed and I always encourage the models to take the time to read it and understand what they're signing, and I offer to explain to them anything that isn't clear. But unfortunately, very few people take me up on the offer to actually read the release they are signing. Fortunately, we have had very, very few people who were later unhappy with the way their content was being used... but it can happen.

As for copyright, I agree with you the wording of the notice is a little odd... but I suspect it may be generic language lifted from one of their other sites. It's most likely their own content and content used with permission from the sites they are marketing.

I'm sorry this is not to your liking. You might try contacting the original producer of the content and just discuss it with them nicely and see if they will work with you. Some will, some won't, but it never hurts to ask, particularly if you do so nicely :)

[MonstahMikey]

Just noticed that they have now added by bf (and my photographer) to the site who used to be a model.

Strange he wasnt there yesterday.... but after Matt complains, he suddenly appears on the site... coincidence ? much ?

[gaydemon]

Sorry, I think most of us are getting somewhat confused and don't understand who you guys are, what the difference is and what you guys are doing or not doing with the other Forbidden People. Mikey have posted here as ForbiddenRed, but now changed his Name to Monstah Mikey which shows some connection to Monstah Matt..

It doesnt take a genious to see the different groups of Forbidden are having a bit of tit for tat, but I dont think me or anyone else keep up with whats going on. I'm afraid your personal issues are lost on most of us.

This last post seems to hint at more than what we understand and I personally don't get it to be honest. You were all one company or worked with each other before and now you don't, I get that much.

But you guys need to take a step back and realize that if you have a problem with previous business associates you have to seek legal advice. There is little point trying to do anything about it on a forum and will just end up being slander.

[TropixxxMichael]

Sorry, I think most of us are getting somewhat confused and don't understand who you guys are, what the difference is and what you guys are doing or not doing with the other Forbidden People. Mikey have posted here as ForbiddenRed, but now changed his Name to Monstah Mikey which shows some connection to Monstah Matt..

It doesnt take a genious to see the different groups of Forbidden are having a bit of tit for tat, but I dont think me or anyone else keep up with whats going on. I'm afraid your personal issues are lost on most of us.

This last post seems to hint at more than what we understand and I personally don't get it to be honest. You where all one company or worked with each other before and now you don't, I get that much.

But you guys need to take a step back and realize that if you have a problem with previous business associates you have to seek legal advice. There is little point trying to do anything about it on a forum and will just end up being slander.


Yeah, I have to agree totally here.
I have read a lot of threads on many boards that involve Forbidden this, or Forbidden that....etc.

I, like many webmasters and producers, barely have time to keep my own shit straight, let alone everyone else's.

At this point, all I know is that I would be afraid to do ANY business with ANY one that has Forbidden in their name. Since I don't have time to sort it out, it just goes into my "people to avoid pile".

My advice, sort out your internal problems internally.

Good luck to you.

[MonstahMikey]

Bjorn,

You are right I was part of forbiddenRed then left. There were also a lot of models who left, Matt being one of them.

I think the point Matt is trying to make is that they have now created a new agency site and are advertising models who clearly don't work for them (or don't want to work for them) without the models permission.

We all appreciate that once a model release is signed then the photos can be used by whoever owns them in whichever way they see fit.

[gaydemon]

I'm sure, but what I'm saying is that its clear you guys have been each others throats on other boards. We are very strict on here in regards to drama and certain behaviour. Therefor it's best that you guys (all involved, blue, red or monstah) deal with this between yourself, preferably when you have taken legal advice.



Bjorn,

You are right I was part of forbiddenRed then left. There were also a lot of models who left, Matt being one of them.

I think the point Matt is trying to make is that they have now created a new agency site and are advertising models who clearly don't work for them (or don't want to work for them) without the models permission.

We all appreciate that once a model release is signed then the photos can be used by whoever owns them in whichever way they see fit.

[basschick]

what you guys don't seem to understand is that cummmodel isn't an agency site at all - it is a fake model site used to entice surfers into buying paysite memberships.


Bjorn,

You are right I was part of forbiddenRed then left. There were also a lot of models who left, Matt being one of them.

I think the point Matt is trying to make is that they have now created a new agency site and are advertising models who clearly don't work for them (or don't want to work for them) without the models permission.

We all appreciate that once a model release is signed then the photos can be used by whoever owns them in whichever way they see fit.

[BritishBucks-Rich]

Haha! oh this is funny! :)

History lesson,
Mikey here, decided to sell his modelling agency, ForbiddenRed to a studio in the UK called 7Blue, who has now changed there name to ForbiddenBlue (to match), Mikey then decided to withhold domain names etc forcing them into a courtcase. Anyway, Mikey then decided to setup an agency again, under the name ForbiddenLads (eventhough he'd just sold forbbidenRed) to try and get bussiness from ''Forbidden''Brand (7blue/ForbiddenBlue). Anyway, 7 Months ago, i got involved with Mikey and ForbiddenLads to setup a studio in the UK, which was one of the worst desicions of my life- just to say, i left- and now they seem to have tried to setup again, under 'MonstahMedia'. Matt being the next mug. Cummodel is a general affiliate website, and all the images on there are used with permission from the copyright holder (i know this becsue they contacted me a few days ago asking if they can use 5 images from www.homoemo.com with affiliate links) - Mabybe this ex model should wake up and read his waiver & model release as i see no problem with an AFFILIATE using images of him, with permission from copyright holders.

Just to clarify, its just a personal vendetta against forbiddenBlue in the UK, and has, and is continuing to be dragged through court.

At the momment im persuing DMCA's against ForbiddenLads and Mikey for illegal use of images that we own copyright to.

[Gaystoryman]

I'm sure, but what I'm saying is that its clear you guys have been each others throats on other boards. We are very strict on here in regards to drama and certain behaviour. Therefor it's best that you guys (all involved, blue, red or monstah) deal with this between yourself, preferably when you have taken legal advice.

I think that is clear enough for everyone. So please, take your squabble elsewhere.

[basschick]

agreed with Gaydemon and Gaystoryman. i'm locking the thread.

btw, Mikey, many models don't understand the papers they sign, what they mean or affiliate marketing. it's possible that the original poster was simply concerned. i've had this happen with a few models who weren't involved in anything more complicated.

Mattmonstah, i suggest that you guys learn a bit more about the adult industry and how things work. i think that would be very very helpful in the long run, and would allow you to keep your models and associates well informed.