Curious Cash Communications & Non-payment

[Nicedreams]

Has anyone heard from someone at Curious Cash recently? Or is anyone having problems being paid by Curious Cash?

After reviewing our stats a few weeks ago, we noticed that we were not paid out by Curious Cash when we should have been. Double checked our info in their system and all was correct. So we contacted them to find out what was going on. Heard back once, but it has been 5 weeks now and nothing.

- 2/25/09 Sent email to Curious Tim and used their contact form
- 2/25/09 Jesse responded to email sent to Curious Tim
- 2/25/09 replied back to Jesse
- 3/3/09 Forwarded reply to Jesse and Curious Tim
- 3/17/09 Forwarded reply to Jesse and Curious Tim again
- 3/24/09 Forwarded reply to Jesse and Curious Tim again

Jimmy

[dzinerbear]

I just posted this last week:

http://www.gaydemon.biz/showthread.php?t=7300

I'm still waiting for the cheque, I'll let you know as soon as it arrives, which I'd say should be this week sometime.

Michael

[gaydemon]

Not on speaking terms with them anymore, not after last time:

http://www.gaydemon.biz/showthread.php?t=6472&highlight=curious+cash

Neither do I promote them anymore. Anyone who deals with affiliaites like that shouldnt be in business.

Intersting enough they posted this today:

http://www.gaydemon.biz/showthread.php?t=7353

[dzinerbear]

My Curious Cash cheque just arrived in the mail this morning.

Michael

[100boys]

Interesting reply to this from another board (ADX) by CuriousToyBoy


Ok, a report back from me as always.

After a thorough investigation it appears Jimmy (nicedreams) is a wanker.
Now, as an aside, CuriousTim has asked me many times over the years to not be so quick to reply to board posts until the real story is known, but he also knows that I ALWAYS respond and ALWAYS follow things up. That is the way it should be be in my mind, and how I have operated ALWAYS in my 10 years in this biz. Ask anyone who actually knows me.

So, the story is:
- Jimmy has contacted the CuriousCash office MANY times (but never me).
- We have endeavored to save this situation during those communications.
- Jimmy is claiming that he is still owed about $105 from since around 2002, which then adds up to his claim he should be paid.

I don't know about other programs, but CuriousCash only has to retain tax records for 5 years, and we have revamped the program more than a couple of times in the last 7 years (this is our 10th year out of interest).

One would think that 2009 is a little bit late for someone to start thinking about chasing $105.

We simply can't check payments that were made that far back, and I doubt many programs could.

I would of thought a good webmaster would of checked with us with in a MUCH smaller time span than letting things get out of control and then check 7+ years later for $105.

In fact CuriousCash did not implement MPA3 until around that time (2002/2003), so it is quite possible that IF the debt is in fact owed, IT IS WITH A CCBILL ACCOUNT.

So Jimmy, without seeming rude, you are a fucktard. Please feel free to take your traffic elsewhere.

Oh, and the village called, they want their idiot back, so off you go.
I fucking well hate it when idiots post shit over multiple boards in some vain hope that there own shortcomings will be ignored when discovered.

So Jimmy, consider this the official CuriousCash response to you, on EVERY board you posted on you numbnut, as I am not even going to bother sending you a email.
I spend my time HELPING affiliates who need help, not hand holding morons, and I ALWAYS respond and I ALWAYS help.

Jimmy, you fail, now fuck off.

Now anyone out here who thinks this is an unreasonable approach is welcome to add their 2c and I will be more than happy to respect their opinion so long as they are happy to respect mine.

I am sure there are a LOT of program peeps out there who KNOW only too well what it is like to have some idiot go running to the boards when a contact page gives people ALL they need to get onto people in any number of ways (FYI, and to save you having to find it to try and prove me wrong - curiouscash.com/contact.php).

Jimmy, a final word of advice - sometimes it is better to stay silent and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

End of Rant. And goodbye Jimmy.

[milivanili]

Yeeeaaaayyy... they sound like a delightful company!:rolleyes:

Good thing I never ever promoted them; I just hated the fact that their sites all redirect to some stupid phone dial payment if you are not in the DE, UK, USA, FR, ES.

[Squirt]

It's unfortunate to see such hateful language from a sponsor to his affiliates broadcast on industry boards.

Strange how they consider themselves right and the affiliates owed money are wrong.

[100boys]

It's unfortunate to see such hateful language from a sponsor to his affiliates broadcast on industry boards.

Strange how they consider themselves right and the affiliates owed money are wrong.

That's exactly what I thought! They seem to owe their affiliate money (even if it's just a hundred bucks) and still insult him for asking for a payout...

[gaybucks_chip]

Very shortsighted imho.

I can't imagine what a program could hope to gain by posting this sort of thing all over. It's certainly not going to warm the heart of any affiliate, up-and-coming or established.

I think every program has a couple of affiliates who are pains in the ass (the sort of guys that want 100 special things done for them and send 200 hits a month) but even then it's rare to see a program go out and trash someone... particularly someone like Jimmy who has been friendly, active and helpful and never seems to be involved in any drama.

But hey... if CuriousCash's business model works for them, who am I to question it? :)

[Nicedreams]

Ok, a report back from me as always.

After a thorough investigation it appears Jimmy (nicedreams) is a wanker.


WOW! Is this how you run your business? Name calling!



Now, as an aside, CuriousTim has asked me many times over the years to not be so quick to reply to board posts until the real story is known, but he also knows that I ALWAYS respond and ALWAYS follow things up. That is the way it should be be in my mind, and how I have operated ALWAYS in my 10 years in this biz. Ask anyone who actually knows me.

So, the story is:
- Jimmy has contacted the CuriousCash office MANY times (but never me).
So your company only responds to requests directly to you only? Ok.


- We have endeavored to save this situation during those communications.

Of course you have, but you were unable to respond to any of them until my post.


- Jimmy is claiming that he is still owed about $105 from since around 2002, which then adds up to his claim he should be paid.

I actually said 2004, read the emails again.



I don't know about other programs, but CuriousCash only has to retain tax records for 5 years, and we have revamped the program more than a couple of times in the last 7 years (this is our 10th year out of interest).

That's great! The sales only happened in 2006-2008 so you will be able to find those records and sales!



One would think that 2009 is a little bit late for someone to start thinking about chasing $105.

We simply can't check payments that were made that far back, and I doubt many programs could.

Its not a payment until you actually send money.



I would of thought a good webmaster would of checked with us with in a MUCH smaller time span than letting things get out of control and then check 7+ years later for $105.

I would of thought a good company would have sent the payment out when they should have instead of making the affiliate ask for it. You know last year when our account went over $100, thats when you should have.



In fact CuriousCash did not implement MPA3 until around that time (2002/2003), so it is quite possible that IF the debt is in fact owed, IT IS WITH A CCBILL ACCOUNT.
Its a MPA3 account.



So Jimmy, without seeming rude, you are a fucktard. Please feel free to take your traffic elsewhere.

Oh, thats nice.



Oh, and the village called, they want their idiot back, so off you go.

Ohhhh, nice.



I fucking well hate it when idiots post shit over multiple boards in some vain hope that there own shortcomings will be ignored when discovered.

No shortcomings here, are you looking in the mirror again?



So Jimmy, consider this the official CuriousCash response to you, on EVERY board you posted on you numbnut, as I am not even going to bother sending you a email.

I wasn't expecting to receive an email. And my nuts aren't numb.



I spend my time HELPING affiliates who need help, not hand holding morons, and I ALWAYS respond and I ALWAYS help.

Jimmy, you fail, now fuck off.

The language!


Now anyone out here who thinks this is an unreasonable approach is welcome to add their 2c and I will be more than happy to respect their opinion so long as they are happy to respect mine.

I am sure there are a LOT of program peeps out there who KNOW only too well what it is like to have some idiot go running to the boards when a contact page gives people ALL they need to get onto people in any number of ways (FYI, and to save you having to find it to try and prove me wrong - CuriousCash.com (http://www.curiouscash.com/contact.php)).

Of course the message sent through your contact form in your affiliate section doesn't count. And the multiple emails and forwards sent do not count either.



Jimmy, a final word of advice - sometimes it is better to stay silent and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Maybe you should have taken your own advice first.



End of Rant. And goodbye Jimmy.

:finger:
Wow, my mama always told me what people could do with that.

OH, and BTW! You should pick up yourself a copy of StatsRemote. It can read farther back into your system then you can apparently and get the stats that you can't seem to find. I loaded it up again today, and guess what, all those stats you can't find are there.

2006 - $73.45
2007 - $8.18
2008 - $21.57

So go ahead and explain to my wanker ass why I am in the wrong again? And why the name calling and language is an appropriate response from your company?

Jimmy

[milivanili]

This is exactly the reason why I ONLY promote ccbill sites!

I know when I need to get paid, when I will get paid, and how much!

No hussle with every company that runs it's own processing... So, I had to ask for my money from BlueLoot, from Hot House, Big Cash Society, ManCheck... oh Falcon ...

[Nicedreams]

Goodbye Jimmy.

2c + 2c

Goodbye?

That's your answer?

Why aren't you going to pay to us?

Why can't you clearly see the sales we've made like we can?

Why weren't we paid out when we should have been?

Does your company condone the language you use to someone for no reason?

Why were all the emails unanswered for 5 weeks and yet we are still wrong for posting this post?

Jimmy

[gaydemon]

I dont think he posts on the forum anymore other than spam :grrr:.

The other message on this thread "from" him was a qoute from another forum.. But you might have noticed that already.


Goodbye?

That's your answer?

Why aren't you going to pay to us?

Why can't you clearly see the sales we've made like we can?

Why weren't we paid out when we should have been?

Does your company condone the language you use to someone for no reason?

Why were all the emails unanswered for 5 weeks and yet we are still wrong for posting this post?

Jimmy

[Mickey]

seriously i know it sucks getting shorted like this , but seeing as how the amount is so low and the company is obviously being run by a total tool, i would just move on - the time you spend on getting these $100 dollars could end up costing you more than the money in the end..

[Nicedreams]

Some more info since they aren't posting on this board.

Some more details on the sales we had:

04/30/06 - $12.28
05/23/06 - $11.25
07/10/06 - $15.75
08/08/06 - $16.17
12/11/06 - $18.00
03/15/07 - $8.18
12/27/08 - $21.57

So it took about 2 years and 8 months to make their minumum payment with the final sale just 3 months ago. Which means we should have been paid out in January of this year. Can you not look that up either Curious Cash?

When I first questioned about a payment, for some reason Jesse only looked at the stats for 1/1/08 - 2/24/09 and returned with "This is from 1st Jan 2008 until now. You have not yet reached the $100 minimum." And I responded, "Thanks for the response. You are not including our previous sales. We have been promoting your sites since 2004. I show we went over $100 last year and now at $103.20". And that's when the ignoring of the emails started.

I'm not sure why they aren't able to look at stats before 1/1/08. I can do it right now in their admin and go back to 1/1/05.

So again, Curious Cash, why aren't you paying our company?

Why do you go from name calling to ignoring?

Do you want me to post the screencaps of StatsRemote and *your admin section* for you so you can see the sales?

Jimmy

[RocketJD]

Wow, I thought this BoyToy's posts were bad during that last dustup, but this takes the cake. I've never seen anyone treat an affiliate with a legitimate issue that way.

He doesn't know it yet, but he's killing Curious Cash. Death by a thousand cuts... one for each time he posts on the boards.

[Nicedreams]

So I'm still waiting to hear your responses to my questions Curious Cash.

Jimmy

[gaydemon]

Sorry, I banned them from here simply because they were ignoring the questions but still spamming us with updates and curious cash news.


So I'm still waiting to hear your responses to my questions Curious Cash.

Jimmy

[RDude]

Sorry, I banned them from here simply because they were ignoring the questions but still spamming us with updates and curious cash news.

Good show Bjorn. We don't need folks like that around. I'm glad I never dealt with that sponsor is all I can say.

As affiliate rep for Bareback Masters, I understand swallowing shit and dealing with upset affiliates is part of the job. The best we can do is try to accommodate them the best we can. Which I try my best to do. Affiliates make the sales and benefit everyone. I guess some sponsors just don't realize this or forget about it somewhere along the way. Thank God very few are like that! lol

The whole thing is reminiscent of Rock Stars forgetting who got them rich and famous in the first place - the fans!

[abostonboy]

This is just fucking unbelievable that some one could actually be that rude.

[Nicedreams]

Here are screencaps with my proof of sales. First is all stats, followed by 2008 stats alone, 2007, 2006, and a shot of StatsRemote.

http://www.nicedreamsentertainment.com/images/boards/curiouscashstats1.jpg

Does that help Curious Cash?

Jimmy

[Seth]

Although it's good to have this info posted as it may help unknowing affiliates in the future, I think it's falling on deaf ears. I often search a few boards when I start promoting a program that I've never had experience with. So hopefully it'll benefit someone in the future.

Not directly related but I couldn't help to notice the StatsRemote versions on your screen shots. How is it you have StatsRemote version 3.99.62 when I only have 3.11.80 which I show being the latest? Maybe a different version for Mac?

[Nicedreams]

Although it's good to have this info posted as it may help unknowing affiliates in the future, I think it's falling on deaf ears. I often search a few boards when I start promoting a program that I've never had experience with. So hopefully it'll benefit someone in the future.

Not directly related but I couldn't help to notice the StatsRemote versions on your screen shots. How is it you have StatsRemote version 3.99.62 when I only have 3.11.80 which I show being the latest? Maybe a different version for Mac?

Yes, I realize that. I'm just making sure everyone knows.

We have a beta version of the upcoming SR release.

Jimmy

[abostonboy]

You have to realize that Curious Cash had a site hacked into a couple years back and it took them forever to get the site back online. It probably converted better after the site was hacked into than before. But, if they didn't care about their own site, what makes you think they care about affiliates? Maybe they don't even have $100 to pay you.

[Nicedreams]

Bump.

Jimmy

[BentleyRace]

Wow! I had no idea that those guys had so many sites... and they are Australia based too! They have some really cute guys. I wonder how well their sites do?

[gaydemon]

The sites are mostly all the same, few updates and not very good content. They did sell now and then, but mainly only one of the sites.

The problem is that the people working there are complete pricks as you can see here.



Wow! I had no idea that those guys had so many sites... and they are Australia based too! They have some really cute guys. I wonder how well their sites do?

[100boys]

They never sold well for me. And after this I'm pulling all links finally.