why are there so few paysites in these niches?

[basschick]

why are there so few sites in these niches?

grandpas (normal looking guys 50+)
chubs
men in pantyhose
bald guys
tattooed guys
truckers
bikers
rocker dudes
underwear

every one of these was a good seller for us, every one has very little or no competition, which means not only good sales but better retention. every one of these niches would be easy to find models for and they could all be solo or hardcore or both.

[BabyMaker]

giving me ideas :)

[MrJD]

lack of "talent" maybe?

[Gaystoryman]

why are there so few sites in these niches?

grandpas (normal looking guys 50+)
chubs
men in pantyhose
bald guys
tattooed guys
truckers
bikers
rocker dudes
underwear

every one of these was a good seller for us, every one has very little or no competition, which means not only good sales but better retention. every one of these niches would be easy to find models for and they could all be solo or hardcore or both.

I would guess that maybe it is because many who might promote such niches, are wanting it all there so they can bring in the bucks now, not down the road.

I think too, that those who can afford to go out and bring in the talent, bring in the content, are too wrapped up in what is working, they aren't interested in investing without really hard numbers being available.

Or, they just don't know how. whistle

[basschick]

no, there's plenty of guys in those niches available who want to do porn. as always, it's easier to find solo - but it often is. and glamour underwear would use the same hunky models who already appear in so many sites.


lack of "talent" maybe?

as far as i can tell, there are few to no paysites in those niches at all - and most of the very non exclusive sites are small avs sites with little content. we had a grandpa solo site made of ounique pic sets and it did quite well.

making more and more twink, college/jock and straight guy sites works less each time someone makes a new site. it simply dilutes the market unless they micro niche it. and hard numbers never seems to do it when they're there...


I would guess that maybe it is because many who might promote such niches, are wanting it all there so they can bring in the bucks now, not down the road.

I think too, that those who can afford to go out and bring in the talent, bring in the content, are too wrapped up in what is working, they aren't interested in investing without really hard numbers being available.

Or, they just don't know how. whistle

[Chubbs]

I had a few pantyhose thumbs dominate the top spot in all my tgp's a while back. Can't remember exactly where they were from but I went looking for good pantyhose sites after I saw how well they were doing. Could not find any. Was a little surprised.

--Chubbs

[tombarr]

I kinda like the thought of a older gay bald tatooed trucker wearing pantyhose walking into a biker bar that is blaring hardcore rock..... :) I bet you could hear a pin drop!


why are there so few sites in these niches?

grandpas (normal looking guys 50+)
chubs
men in pantyhose
bald guys
tattooed guys
truckers
bikers
rocker dudes
underwear

every one of these was a good seller for us, every one has very little or no competition, which means not only good sales but better retention. every one of these niches would be easy to find models for and they could all be solo or hardcore or both.

[dzinerbear]

I think there are a number of factors at play here. I'll use an example to illustrate.

I love skinheads. I just love the whole look. And there sure aren't a lot of sites out there featuring them. I'd love to start a site, but there's the problem of content. I'm sure I could scrape together enough stock content to put together a decent AVS hub. But that wouldn't be enough for a paysite.

So, I'd have to shoot myself or hire someone to shoot for me. Both expensive prospects. And if I'm hunting down the models, that's another time consuming element.

If you're going to shoot skinheads properly, you need sets or locations. I suppose you could shoot a couple of skinheads fucking on a white sofa in my living room, but it would look more interesting, realistic, and hot if they were in a grungy basement or dungeon. More cost.

Now, how many people are like me and share this fetish? I honestly don't know, but I imagine there'd be less traffic than a jock site would see. And there'd be a lot more buyers in a crowd of a hundred men than there would be for my skinhead site.

But my skinhead site would probably retain pretty good as long as I kept the content coming. It might make me some good coin in the long run, but I'm betting in the short term my costs would far out weigh the return on my investment.

Most site owners want a piece of the big pie. They don't want to invest in some off-the-wall niche site just to have to sit around and wait a couple of years to recuperate most of their initial investment. A know a couple of guys who started a micro niche site because they loved it. They struggled and poured money into it and both worked full time while they waited for it to take off. And after a couple of years one of the guys finally backed out. The other kept it going, but eventually got a bigger site to partner with him. It's a hot site and a hot niche, and it would be great in a portfolio of say 20 micro niche sites; but as a standalone, it ain't going to have you sipping champagne and lying on the beach all day.

Now investing your money in another jock site might be sending you down the same road with an already-crowded market, but I think the perception is that the more mainstream your site is the quicker you'll start making money.

I think most micro niche site ideas require the passion and love of someone to start and run them. But having passion doesn't necessarily mean you have money. If I were making Randy Blue or Corbin Fisher kind of money, I'd probably pour some of that cash into a skinhead site just because I loved the niche. If it made money, fine, if it didn't, I had a very expensive fantasy.

Michael

[tombarr]

Well said Michael...and I think it hits the nail on the head. I'd love to do an underwear fetish site but would be most concerned with the return on investment numbers and the time to profit for a site like that...although it would be lots of fun to produce it. :)





I think there are a number of factors at play here. I'll use an example to illustrate.

I love skinheads. I just love the whole look. And there sure aren't a lot of sites out there featuring them. I'd love to start a site, but there's the problem of content. I'm sure I could scrape together enough stock content to put together a decent AVS hub. But that wouldn't be enough for a paysite.

So, I'd have to shoot myself or hire someone to shoot for me. Both expensive prospects. And if I'm hunting down the models, that's another time consuming element.

If you're going to shoot skinheads properly, you need sets or locations. I suppose you could shoot a couple of skinheads fucking on a white sofa in my living room, but it would look more interesting, realistic, and hot if they were in a grungy basement or dungeon. More cost.

Now, how many people are like me and share this fetish? I honestly don't know, but I imagine there'd be less traffic than a jock site would see. And there'd be a lot more buyers in a crowd of a hundred men than there would be for my skinhead site.

But my skinhead site would probably retain pretty good as long as I kept the content coming. It might make me some good coin in the long run, but I'm betting in the short term my costs would far out weigh the return on my investment.

Most site owners want a piece of the big pie. They don't want to invest in some off-the-wall niche site just to have to sit around and wait a couple of years to recuperate most of their initial investment. A know a couple of guys who started a micro niche site because they loved it. They struggled and poured money into it and both worked full time while they waited for it to take off. And after a couple of years one of the guys finally backed out. The other kept it going, but eventually got a bigger site to partner with him. It's a hot site and a hot niche, and it would be great in a portfolio of say 20 micro niche sites; but as a standalone, it ain't going to have you sipping champagne and lying on the beach all day.

Now investing your money in another jock site might be sending you down the same road with an already-crowded market, but I think the perception is that the more mainstream your site is the quicker you'll start making money.

I think most micro niche site ideas require the passion and love of someone to start and run them. But having passion doesn't necessarily mean you have money. If I were making Randy Blue or Corbin Fisher kind of money, I'd probably pour some of that cash into a skinhead site just because I loved the niche. If it made money, fine, if it didn't, I had a very expensive fantasy.

Michael