View Full Version : GayGravy affiiates: maybe you are interessed in this thread
If you are a GayGravy affiliate maybe you are interessed in this post about suspected shaving
http://www.askdamagex.com/showpost.php?p=256794&postcount=31
the full thread is http://www.askdamagex.com/t25072-sponsor-shaving.html
Have you ever did this kind of test?
archer
03-21-2008, 08:31 AM
:eek:
good on procam. what he did what 100% legit.
i'll watch that thread to see how it plays out.
dzinerbear
03-21-2008, 08:48 AM
I always wondered about these guys. I never promoted them much because alarm bells go off when sponsors are offering $75, $100, and $200 sign ups. Good gimmick though, it gets lots of webmasters submitting their content to traffic hubs.
Michael
abostonboy
03-21-2008, 09:02 AM
Interesting read GTP.
deanb
03-21-2008, 10:03 AM
GayGravy mentioned on another board that what happened was that the guy had a friend sign up on a bonus day. The friend apparently gave gaygravy info when he was trying to get a refund that he was going to get half of the PPS for signing up.
marcjacob
03-21-2008, 12:59 PM
JJ who owns Gay Gravy has replied saying the same thing as Dean. Always two sides to any story I guess.
BTW the $150 joins are probably loss leaders. They do it to get everyone pushing them hard for that one day, knowing that no webmasters will pull their links after the promo. Thats my guess anyway. Its probably quite effective, make a loss on one day but gain webmasters pushing traffic to your program which will quickly make up the losses.
basschick
03-21-2008, 01:22 PM
probably a good idea to read the entire thread, not just a couple of posts. this one isn't as simple as it might seem at the start.
archer
03-21-2008, 01:53 PM
absolutely basschick. usually there are three or more sides to any given question.
What i meant was that it is perfectly legitimate to test a sponsor on a periodic basis to see if there is shaving going on.
anything else... like what is mentioned above is fraud on the part of the affiliate in my opinion.
probably a good idea to read the entire thread, not just a couple of posts. this one isn't as simple as it might seem at the start.
basschick
03-21-2008, 02:00 PM
well, many programs don't allow test signups - it's not unusual. i'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, but i can say that i've seen webmasters abuse it when it is allowed and sponsors abuse it if it isn't.
and frankly, my members tell me they do things and sign up for things that sometimes they don't. or they don't understand things - like trial conversions - and think they've been ripped off when sometimes maybe they haven't been. i've heard from guys when we were promoting one sponsor who was pissed off they were charged for a full month despite the clear button on the upsells that lead to full monthly that said basically click here to pay for full month's access.
marcjacob
03-21-2008, 02:03 PM
:cool:
it is perfectly legitimate to test a sponsor on a periodic basis to see if there is shaving going on.
Go carefull with that. I tested a sponsor and emailed them shortly after to deduct the pps amount from my payout, they got the email but didnt act, and I was accused of affiliate fraud. They paid out in the end but insisted I only do percentage from that point on. As you can imagine I didnt send them a single sale since that point.
I would drop any sponsor who said no to test sign ups. As long as I tell them quickly, it is a legitimate thing to do imo. If they dont like it, why dont they like?
basschick
03-21-2008, 02:11 PM
i'm sure some don't like it because a lot of webmasters forget to send that email after they do the test signup. ars is really good about test signups, btw.
gaybucks_chip
03-21-2008, 02:28 PM
I know absolutely nothing about this situation at all, but from reading the thread on askdamagex, what I got was that a large part of the issue was the end-user customer signed up for a $1 trial and got billed 3 times for $30+
Now... it's certainly wrong to get your friends to sign up and split the PPS, no argument there... but what about the issue of double and triple billing? I'd expect the affiliate to understand about prechecked cross sells, so hopefully it wasn't that. Does anyone know the details? Hard to imagine how an automated system, be it netbilling or ccbill or epoch, could allow something like that to happen. And if it was brought to their attention and not quickly resolved, that's a customer service disaster.
marcjacob
03-21-2008, 04:05 PM
I'd expect the affiliate to understand about prechecked cross sells, so hopefully it wasn't that.
I thought thats exactly what it would be. I cant see how any processor would allow anything like tripple billing.
I dont know enough about billers, but Im guessing you couldnt write a script to tripple bill someone. If you could thats a massive security blunder on the part of the billing companies and frankly, a timebomb waiting to explode.
tmt-Walter
03-21-2008, 06:54 PM
I don't know all the details.
I would also not promote a program that does not allow test singups ( what do they have to hide)
with Gaygravy. when they had their 200 per singup to a specific site. I sent them so traffic. made 1 sale and I got paid.
And I would not put my hands in the fire for anyone here.
As suggested by other users I invite you to read the whole thread, lots of new details are coming out from both the affiliate and gaygravy
abostonboy
03-22-2008, 08:49 AM
As suggested by other users I invite you to read the whole thread, lots of new details are coming out from both the affiliate and gaygravy
True. I would suggest webmasters also read this...
http://xbiz.com/news/91406
scroll down to the bottom.
abostonboy
03-23-2008, 06:23 PM
This is REALLY complicated. Who is right and who is wrong is one thing. I don't really know what to think when GayGravy posted the users first/last name, ip, un/pw on a public board.
After all the signup form did say 100% discreet.
Now, the getting billed 3 times seems strange. How does that happen.
basschick
03-23-2008, 08:56 PM
actually i believe procam posted the last name initially, and then gaygravy posted first and last.
sometimes banks make mistakes, sometimes programs like NATS can make mistakes. i'm not taking anyone's side here, but as far as i know, no one has written to bjorn about being double or triple billed by a gaygravy membership, nor have they posted comments on the gaydemon review. i also didn't see user comments on thebestporn about this, so it doesn't seem like it is a regular occurance. which does NOT mean it didn't happen or that it did.
abostonboy
03-23-2008, 09:48 PM
actually i believe procam posted the last name initially, and then gaygravy posted first and last.
The un/pw is what scares me. I feel bad if he uses the same un/pw on all sites.
deanb
03-23-2008, 11:42 PM
The un/pw is what scares me. I feel bad if he uses the same un/pw on all sites.
I don't think the guys is actually a surfer to be honest, could be a fake nick. I don't think any surfers know what shaving sales is, and he mentioned that in his post.