Amateur Guy Sites

[dzinerbear]

What do you think is the appeal of an amateur guy site? Do you think it's seeing guys that aren't all over the place? Or is it seeing guys who are more like the rest of us, i.e. not porn model material with perfect bodies and big cocks?

I've been looking at promoting a couple of amateur gay sites, but I've noticed that the guys aren't very good looking. In some cases, the guys are just average; in others, they're downright ugly. Does it matter? Am I missing the point of an amateur site?

Michael

[ManSitesMike]

Butch, I believe the amateur appeal is all of the things that you are saying. These guys aren't plastered all over the net, so the freshness is an appeal. There is an element of the voyuerist with amateur guys, think about guys checking each other out in the shower or the forbidden. There is pretty much a porn market for EVERYONE, the pretty, the ugly, the skinny, the fat, the fit. The niche is very popular cause I think it goes directly against the grain of polished porn studio. I would correlate this phenom with that of Indy Films to Blockbuster Studio Films. Blair Witch, with its shakey amateur style, made way more money than WaterWorld that had over a 100 million dollar budget.

[gaydemon_jr]

I think their attitude as an average joe, not overly confident and sometimes shy can be an attraction too.

[MatthewVieques]

All of the above make sense to me. Also, some of the guys that appear on the amateur site go on to work for the major studios, and it may be an attraction to see the guy in early works.

[basschick]

i think the appeal is that they're regular guys. also i used to market amateur sites the most successfully by claiming that amateurs do it for fun, because they love doing it, while pornstars and models do it for the money. considering how well that sold, i'd guess that's a part of the attraction.

[MatthewVieques]

i think the appeal is that they're regular guys. also i used to market amateur sites the most successfully by claiming that amateurs do it for fun, because they love doing it, while pornstars and models do it for the money. considering how well that sold, i'd guess that's a part of the attraction.

I believe that. One of our best selling titles was with two gay men (not pretending to be straight), who were really into it, falling all over each other is a lusty frenzy. In amateur especially, if the guys are into each other, I think it is readily apparent, members do notice, and they seem to love it! :)

[XXXWriterDude]

What do you think is the appeal of an amateur guy site? Do you think it's seeing guys that aren't all over the place? Or is it seeing guys who are more like the rest of us, i.e. not porn model material with perfect bodies and big cocks?

I've been looking at promoting a couple of amateur gay sites, but I've noticed that the guys aren't very good looking. In some cases, the guys are just average; in others, they're downright ugly. Does it matter? Am I missing the point of an amateur site?

Michael

I think you listed some great reasons here, Michael.

I love amateur porn because it does feel "real." There's a certain cinema verite' feel to it, where it's less orchestrated and choreographed, a spontaneity that really turns me on. Also the guys do tend to be more like the rest of us, and I've always said that I think there is something much healthier about the porn where guys can watch it and feel like they can relate to the model on screen instead of wishing they looked more like him.

Typically, gay adult content hinges on gay male longing -- on the idea that the porn stars are somewhat unattainable masculine "ideals," and therefore consumers buy the films so they can engage in a fantasy of how they wish their life was (full of hot sex) or in the fantasies of who they wish they were sleeping with (i.e. big muscle and/or perfect-bodied men).

Amateur/reality porn kind of blows that notion out of the water because its focus is more on the sex itself. Regular porn becomes very rote and by-the-numbers because it follows a now-standard trajectory in its makeup. A sucks B, B sucks A, A rims B, then A fucks B. It's all very stale and predictable. Amateur porn tends to capture the excitement of real sex because often the guys go from sucking to fucking, then back to sucking and then back to fucking, etc. etc. More like the way real sex is.

If the guys were "hotter" (i.e., better looking, not so much more muscle-y), I think amateur porn would become the new norm, because it's a great way for gay men to participate in a fantasy and not feel so guilty about it later.

[realmenrealhot]

It's all about lighting!

I've been shooting photography for a few years, back long before an adult website was even something to aspire to.. and I can say that I've always caught slack from fans telling me that want to see more regular guys.

I've had an ebay storefront for years now, selling limited release prints of many of my old collections. I get email from all over the world about how the 'regular guy' isn't well represented. So.. I tried! At least in the art world, people don't buy prints if guys don't have abs. lol

So now I've moved on to RealMENrealHOT, which was formed from the idea that all the guys I've shot have normal lives outside of any porn industry. I've been working with are a broad mix of locals, from muscular college guys, to inked up military men, to future aspiring porn stars too. Some have fewer abs than others. It's still too early to tell who exactly sticks out the most, but they all contribute to the sales at the end of the day. The lastest new guy is, of course, the most popular.

Funny thing is, I still get complaints about how above average my guys are. Locals who actually know some of these guys are amazed about how good they look on camera. I think my background in photography and lighting experience really changes the way these guys come across. It's just natural to want to make people look their best.

Given the choice, i think viewers would prefer to watch the same real sex shot without the shake and better lighting than you're typical 1 naked bulb in the room. But it all does add to the fantasy. Even the night-vision used inside a dark glory-hole booth is still interesting.. (they say, lol)

I tend to take a good deal of interest in what ends up making the top favorites lists on the tube sites. If millions of viewers vote with their little heads, I use that info to see what I can do to catch their attention.

End the end, a friend once told me, "Every lid has a pot out there somewhere." If you can afford to wait long enough to find the pots for your lids, then try something new!

-Marcus
www.RealMENrealHOT.com

[MiamiBoyz]

Well, we are in the Latino niche but we do shoot amateur models in that they have never done a shoot before and most likely will never do another one...therefore, the appeal is that seeing them on our site it might be the only time to see this guy naked!

Now that is real appeal...

[Squirt]

I think the draw for amateur sites is that it's "real" and, like the others have said, the professional content looses a lot of soul in their quest for perfect lighting and scripted sex scenes where you know right after the guy gets his ass licked he'll be fucking the guy licking his ass, etc. etc.

Another draw for amateur straight guy sites specifically, is surfers see the hot straight guy next door get seduced by a gay guy with a camera and a couple hundred bucks. HOT! You can't get that with professional porn, though many studios have tried.

I've seen about 1/10th of the guys I shoot go on to do other sites, some professional, others not.

I've seen some of those sites that shoot anything with 90% of the guys being downright ugly as hell, but like others have said, there's a market for everything I guess.

[JoeSchmoeProductions]

Hi guys..It's your resident amateur "hack" videographer/producer Chiming in..

For me at least.. The appeal of amateur porn..is

Im not seeing the same-old-played-out "stars".. With bikini tan lines, and totally hairless bodies, and perfect teeth, and frosted hair, and thumbrings, tongue rings, cockrings, huge dildos,etc, etc.

I always thought I was in the minority for not really being attracted to this "caricture" sp? of "attractive" gay males.

Even though thier bodies are usually perfect, and technically "manly", professional studio models are usually too "made up" for me...and ..to me at least...come across as feminine. I like my guys manly.

What I like about amateur porn..is the unpredictability of what will/can happen. I like the fact that the guys are "regular" guys. For me at least, its cause the model reminds me of someone I know in real life who is un-attainable.

The lawnboy, the service station attendant, the guy at the car wash with fucked up teeth, and a visible penis line, a co-worker, the neighbors wanna-be thug-boy son, the dorky mormons who knock on your door on sunday morning,

Being on Xtube for awhile now(4.5 million views not even having vids uploaded the whole time, and deleting vids frequently) kinda shows me that there are some folks who feel the same way. Sure, some folks are there for the free porn..but I think alot are there for the variety. I've recieved alot of comments from people saying "you got the best amateur vids on xtube" It's all subjective.

Im just some Schmoe with a cheap camera, and no formal training, They are horny dudes with hard dicks in their hands..looking at short clips for free, most of my models would be considered "ugly" by typical gay standards..So I figure, I must be in the correct niche which is why "amateur" is so popular right now.

The other thing about "amateur" in my opinion...Is that to me at least, the shaky camera work, and bad lighting, etc,etc, all add to the "forbiden-es" or "Authenticity" of the whole thing. "Realness" is a big thing in porn with me. Not having a script and just letting what happens happens..is a big turn-on for me. Studio porn fails miserably in the reality dept. I dunno, in a studio porn when the "str8" guy says "i've never sucked a dick before" it's all I can do to keep from laughing. In an amateur porn...I halfway believe, which heightens my experience. As long as the lighting is good enough for me to see whats going on, and the Camera shaking is at a minimum...It's all good.

Being on the tube has exposed me to stuff I never even knew I liked. Thats the beauty of amateur porn IMO.."Micro niches," learned that term from you guys BTW. It's way more niched-out than studio porn could ever hope to be. ..Allowing for way more variety. If your niche is right, and you promote it hard enough, it doesnt even matter if YOU think the guys arent hot, or maybe even ugly...Somebody else will, and thats really all that matters.

Sorry to butt in to y'alls discussion. Still gotta bunch of paysite questions...Just dont know where to start. Up to 42 films now...gonna do something soon.

Joe