tmt-Walter
03-14-2008, 11:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbUBTlmAiA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNTGRL0OJWQ
Oh this run for the whitehouse keeps getting nastier.
deanb
03-14-2008, 11:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbUBTlmAiA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNTGRL0OJWQ
Oh this run for the whitehouse keeps getting nastier.
I think this will turn off some of his supporters. Its scary to think that someone that goes to a church like that could be president.
tmt-Walter
03-15-2008, 12:01 AM
I think this will turn off some of his supporters. Its scary to think that someone that goes to a church like that could be president.
He says he's never heard him saying things like that before. and he has been a member of that church for 20 years.
deanb
03-15-2008, 01:29 AM
He says he's never heard him saying things like that before. and he has been a member of that church for 20 years.
Of course he says that! Its hard to believe that Obama has been a member for 20 years, and never heard anything like that. Did Obama go on the campaign trail and all of the sudden these ideas just pop into his head. I doubt it!
Gaystoryman
03-15-2008, 09:33 AM
Putting on my tin hat, suit of armor, I'd say that this whole Obama Minister stuff is just another slagging match. There are, I bet, millions who go to church where the Minister routinely lashes out at Gays, Jews with their wandering Jew story, at Blacks, if you live in the South, in the same manner.
Doesn't make it right, but how about the guy who stood with McCain?
How about all those evangelists that talk about doctors who perform abortions, how they should be crucified? Even condone their murder.
Do you think the Minister of Clinton's Church never said a disparaging remark about Gays?
Does that make all who attend their services somehow evil, or anti American?
Everyone claims they want a separation of Church from State, yet as soon as some religious leader associated with a candidate makes a remark, or is found to have made remarks, suddenly the Candidate is associated with them, is vilified. Worse, is when they win, all these crusading religious folks get invited for photo ops with the winner... how many of those lovely religious right folks stood side by side with Bill Clinton? Doesn't make him less tolerant, does it?
Seems that in my warped opinion, that it isn't what the Minister says that counts, or what the neighbor or gardener, or best friend says. It is what the Candidate has shown, on where they stand, on what they want to do, not what an adviser says. I mean come on, Ferraro made some pretty harsh comments too, good friend, adviser to Clinton, does that make Clinton anti black?
now where is my foxhole? :D