OMG McCain picked Sarah Palin for his VP!!

[Squirt]

So she's the Governer of Alaska for the last two years , a virtual unkown and DC outsider.

Do you think she will get the Hillary vote? Seems to young to me, he might have been better off with Meg Whitman for the Hillary vote.

Your thoughts?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1398/542389855_811a187e7b.jpg

[camcruise]

her husband is an exec at BP Oil.....

[gaybucks_chip]

As someone said, "no one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American public."

If we apply this to politics, it just might work. It totally seems like a sleazy Karl Rove move; have McCain do a nice ad the night of Obama's acceptance saying that he wishes Obama well, and then pull some totally news-stealing stunt the next day to blunt publicity.

The woman is grossly unqualified. She's far less qualified than even Dan Quayle, and that's saying a lot. McCain is 72, has had 4 recurrences of melanoma, a particularly deadly and fast-spreading cancer. The likelihood that this woman could actually be president is far, far more likely than the likelihood that Biden will become president, and that's frightening.

Likewise, does McCain really thing that female Hillary supporters are so stupid that they'll just go for anything with a pair of tits? Comparing Hillary to Palin is like comparing a Lexus to a Yugo. Palin is anti-choice, and anti-feminist. She offers nothing, except a vagina and a pair of tits, that Hillary offers.

But... she might get the ignorant middle-america republican vote.

[basschick]

i know a lot of people who would vote for any woman because they feel that our country should have long since had a woman in a high office. and remember, a lot of hillary supporters feel so angry they already said they'd vote for mccain - having a woman on the ticket might very well be a convincer.

[camcruise]

i know a lot of people who would vote for any woman because they feel that our country should have long since had a woman in a high office. and remember, a lot of hillary supporters feel so angry they already said they'd vote for mccain - having a woman on the ticket might very well be a convincer.

Republican and some Independent women will sure to like the choice.
But I doubt that that Democratic woman will vote for a Republican woman for VP..

[Squirt]

Her education is a B.S. in journalism at the University of Idaho

[archer]

.... if that's so, what does that say about Obama? whistle


The woman is grossly unqualified.

[Squirt]

Solely based on education you have a Harvard law degree vs a B.S. in journalism


Now VP vs VP you have Biden graduating with a double major in history and poli sci from Delaware University in Newark and a J.D. from Syracuse University College of Law. He's been a junior Senator for 28 years and in 2000 became a senior Senator.


.... if that's so, what does that say about Obama? whistle

[archer]

at least she's actually run something in government like a town and a state. what has obama run? :rolleyes:

pot. kettle. black. all's i'm saying is that the tickets balance each other out when it comes to experience. mccain can't criticize obama on experience without looking to his own vp choice and neither can obama criticize mccain without highlighting his own experience.



Solely based on education you have a Harvard law degree vs a B.S. in journalism


Now VP vs VP you have Biden graduating with a double major in history and poli sci from Delaware University in Newark and a J.D. from Syracuse University College of Law. He's been a junior Senator for 28 years and in 2000 became a senior Senator.

[fetishlad]

the thing is - I saw her speech on the news - she is sort of likable like a soccer mum ..... oprah winfrey viewers will love her ....

[abostonboy]

i know a lot of people who would vote for any woman because they feel that our country should have long since had a woman in a high office. and remember, a lot of hillary supporters feel so angry they already said they'd vote for mccain - having a woman on the ticket might very well be a convincer.

I disagree with that as far as McCains pick goes. She is just so far away from anything remotely close to what Hillary stood for.

This pick REALLY baffles me. Reminds me of Perot picking Stockdale.

I guess the Repblicans have conceded that the "experience'" issue wont get them too far against Obama.

The oldest person ever to run for president picking her for VP? I don't get it at all. Can you imagine her ever being president?

[AlexManifestMan]

I hate to be so superficial but she appears too much like a character from Saturday Night Live for me to be comfortable. When I hear Cunt Bailey Hutchinson say that Palin should be admired for not aborting her fifth child even though it was born with birth defects I nearly puked.

How far we have fallen as adults that this is would even be considered.

[tmt-Walter]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3232/2808560699_57ee3588b6.jpg?v=0

[camcruise]

Palin also used her power as governor to have her sister's ex-husband fired from his job as a state trooper....

[Titanmen]

at least she's actually run something in government like a town and a state. what has obama run? :rolleyes:



ROFL!!! A town of 5000 people and the least populated state in the country with under 700,000 people! They have more Caribou then they have humans! “Running” the state of Alaska is like being the Mayor of the Hooville!

[camcruise]

ROFL!!! A town of 5000 people and the least populated state in the country with under 700,000 people! They have more Caribou then they have humans! “Running” the state of Alaska is like being the Mayor of the Hooville!

I think you mean Hooterville .
I agree. if she leaves to take the VP spot Mr. Hanie will have to take over for her.

[Seth]

the thing is - I saw her speech on the news - she is sort of likable like a soccer mum ..... oprah winfrey viewers will love her ....

That's similar what I told my partner as we listened to her on the radio in the car this afternoon. I said she sounds like a soccer mom giving a speech at little Billy's birthday party.

[camcruise]

I love this.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/begala.palin/index.html:D

[gaybucks_chip]

at least she's actually run something in government like a town and a state. what has obama run? :rolleyes:

pot. kettle. black. all's i'm saying is that the tickets balance each other out when it comes to experience. mccain can't criticize obama on experience without looking to his own vp choice and neither can obama criticize mccain without highlighting his own experience.

Obviously you have it out for Obama so I won't debate with you. The experience, skill, knowledge and ability Obama has in actually getting things done are all there if you look. In comparison, this woman has been running a state for a year that, as one journalist put it, has 3 people and some caribou in it, she is under investigation for various shady stuff, and prior to being governor, she ran a town of 8,000 people.

But a lot of people have convinced themselves that Obama's a lightweight even though the facts show otherwise, so it's rather pointless to argue.

[abostonboy]

Let's just hope and pray that IF McCain is elected that he lives his term. Palin is weaker than Stockdale.

We don't even know is she has ever been outside the US.

About the Iraqi surge,

" Alaska Business Monthly: We've lost a lot of Alaska's military members to the war in Iraq. How do you feel about sending more troops into battle, as President Bush is suggesting?

Palin: I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place; I want assurances that we are doing all we can to keep our troops safe. Every life lost is such a tragedy.
"

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/29/183255/841/290/579394

Did she get the information from CNN one night? I "heard on the news". WTF!

[deanb]

I found myself rather insulted by her and McCain thinking that in any way, shape or form by adding a vagina to his ticket he would get Clinton supporters, she is no where near what Clinton was, and to use the 18 million cracks line from Clinton, I wanted to throw something at the TV. LOL

That being said, I don't see her as any weaker than Obama to be honest, she has accomplishments, and as the one reporter put it that there are 3 people and a bunch of caribou in the state, that is obvious media bias when the same article says she ran a city of 8,000 people.

I do however think that she is going to be an effective campaigner, she will really strike a cord with the soccer moms out there, who unlike some, may not pay much attention to big issues. They will relate to her, and see her as one of their buddies in the PTA.

Another thing about her, is it will be hard to be overly critical of her, as Obama is trying to win over the Clinton women, and anything that could be seen as overly negative to her could turn them off.

It will be interesting to say the least, and in the political world it is a long way till November.


Let's just hope and pray that IF McCain is elected that he lives his term. Palin is weaker than Stockdale.

We don't even know is she has ever been outside the US.

About the Iraqi surge,

" Alaska Business Monthly: We've lost a lot of Alaska's military members to the war in Iraq. How do you feel about sending more troops into battle, as President Bush is suggesting?

Palin: I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place; I want assurances that we are doing all we can to keep our troops safe. Every life lost is such a tragedy.
"

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/29/183255/841/290/579394

Did she get the information from CNN one night? I "heard on the news". WTF!

[gaybucks_chip]

As someone said, she could be another Dan Quayle... but on the other hand, we lost with Dan Quayle.

[Squirt]

Another thing about her, is it will be hard to be overly critical of her, as Obama is trying to win over the Clinton women, and anything that could be seen as overly negative to her could turn them off.

You are exactly right

I was watching Olbermann and his goons ripping into her last night and it was so reminiscent of Clinton I wanted to puke. I'm really wondering if they are full of a bunch of straight self important women demeaning male chauvinist pigs.

I will in no way vote for McCain but the way the press is handling her had better change real quick or these women will vote McCain out of spite.

[archer]

I don't have it 'in' for Obama. I'm just pointing out that attacking Palin for her inexperience is the wrong tack for the Democrats to take. All's that highlights is Obama's inexperience. If he's good enough to be president then so is she. That's all.

I just happen to think that it was a very smart move for McCain(despite what is sure to come out over her links to that antisemite Buchanan, creationism, etc). After all what is everyone talking about now? (and it sure isn't Obama).

I do think that McCain has made it a very interesting campaign. It will be even more interesting if Palin can hold her own on the trail and debate.

One way or the other history will be made in November.



Obviously you have it out for Obama so I won't debate with you. The experience, skill, knowledge and ability Obama has in actually getting things done are all there if you look. In comparison, this woman has been running a state for a year that, as one journalist put it, has 3 people and some caribou in it, she is under investigation for various shady stuff, and prior to being governor, she ran a town of 8,000 people.

But a lot of people have convinced themselves that Obama's a lightweight even though the facts show otherwise, so it's rather pointless to argue.

[CorbinFisher_BD]

The Democracts won't attack her on her inexperience.

They'll attack her on her experience at doing jack shit and fucking up. And she has plenty of that. She left the teeny town she was mayor of in financial ruin. She opposed protecting polar bears (who doesn't love polar bears?). She's for creationism in public schools. She's anti-choice. She is a global warming denialist. She would be hardpressed to find Iraq on a map. She is involved in an ethics investigation. Newspapers across Alaska, even, are coming out with editorials and stories saying "What the hell was McCain thinking?!"

And they'll go after McCain's judgement. McCain says "Country First" but that obviously wasn't the case here as he put Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency for purely political purposes. He keeps saying "Obama will lose a war to win an election" but as Americans begin to realize that McCain picked Palin and risks having so unqualified a person in the vice presidency purely to try and win an election and putting the country so at risk by doing so, it'll come back to bite him.

The Palin selection is an insult to Hillary Clinton and woman in general.

She's going to get tore apart, and rightfully so.

[basschick]

i hope you're right, but i think that the average person reads/sees so much of candidates attacking each other that they tend to believe the attacks less and less. anyway, she's SUCH a bad candidate that i suspect some people just won't believe what they read could be true - they'll figure it's got to be an exaggeration.

in fact, right now CNN has a headline reading "Palin a pioneer, maverick -- and game-changer (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.bio/index.html)". sounds exciting, doesn't it. the article is less exciting, but then a lot of people won't click - they'll just see the headline.


The Democracts won't attack her on her inexperience.

They'll attack her on her experience at doing jack shit and fucking up. And she has plenty of that. She left the teeny town she was mayor of in financial ruin. She opposed protecting polar bears (who doesn't love polar bears?). She's for creationism in public schools. She's anti-choice. She is a global warming denialist. She would be hardpressed to find Iraq on a map. She is involved in an ethics investigation. Newspapers across Alaska, even, are coming out with editorials and stories saying "What the hell was McCain thinking?!"

And they'll go after McCain's judgement. McCain says "Country First" but that obviously wasn't the case here as he put Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency for purely political purposes. He keeps saying "Obama will lose a war to win an election" but as Americans begin to realize that McCain picked Palin and risks having so unqualified a person in the vice presidency purely to try and win an election and putting the country so at risk by doing so, it'll come back to bite him.

The Palin selection is an insult to Hillary Clinton and woman in general.

She's going to get tore apart, and rightfully so.

[camcruise]

I think McCain had to pick someone. And since most Republicans think he is going to lose why risk choosing someone with a political future.
I dont think most of the big Rep players wanted to be the VP this time around.

[Squirt]

Why do the Republicans keep bringing up the fact that she has a retarded child?

Every Republican pundit I've seen on air since the announcement has mentioned this fact and couple it with the fact that she knew it was retarded before it was born and decided to keep it anyway. I don't understand.

If it's part of your core belief that you should never have an abortion then you should be expected to do as you believe, not commended for it. On that note, she is pro life but sending her son off to Iraq to kill other peoples children. His deployment date is 9/11/08. the irony

[basschick]

assuming that ms palin and her husband plan to periodically have sex, and that she is anti-choice, what happens if she gets pregnant again? i surely don't like the idea of a vice president taking a 2 month maternity sabbatical. what if mccain is incapacitated at that time or something happens that requires the vice president? since ms. palin opposed reprodutive rights, we'd be righteously fucked due to her belief system.

[CorbinFisher_BD]

i hope you're right, but i think that the average person reads/sees so much of candidates attacking each other that they tend to believe the attacks less and less. anyway, she's SUCH a bad candidate that i suspect some people just won't believe what they read could be true - they'll figure it's got to be an exaggeration.

in fact, right now CNN has a headline reading "Palin a pioneer, maverick -- and game-changer (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.bio/index.html)". sounds exciting, doesn't it. the article is less exciting, but then a lot of people won't click - they'll just see the headline.

He'll get a few days of superficially good press, no doubt.

That is while the press and public are talking about THE CHOICE. The choice to pick her was "out of the box" and quite a surprise. It was unexpected and, on that front, newsworthy.

But once discussion changes from THE CHOICE to THE CANDIDATE, that's when it will bite McCain in the ass. Once the initial shock value wears off and the public has to consider her credentials, her actual positions on the issues, sees her on the campaign trail attempting to defend her positions and argue national and international issues, that is when the narrative starts to tear her apart.

It's already happening as commentary and analysis is switching from discussing "McCain's choice" to discussing "Sarah Palin". And it's not in her favor. It's a collective "Who the heck?!"

[CorbinFisher_BD]

By the way, her selection should be an insult to Hillary supporters. Hillary earned himself millions of votes in the primary. She earned herself prominence in the 2008 elections on the back of her own achievements, appeal, campaigning, hard work and savvy. She put those "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling" through her own hard work.

Palin was plucked from obscurity, a political nobody, solely on account of being a woman. That is not feminist achievement or accomplishment. That is not groundbreaking or historic. It is a Republican party that cares so little about women that they think any women will do, solely on account of being a female. To say that Palin's assent to the national stage is historic is a bunch of BS, because it is an assent that is entirely fabricated and artificial.

[Squirt]

The irony is that the Democrats push through all these difficult issues and moved society forward while the conservative Republicans kick and scream trying to hold everyone back while staying in power.

Now that all the hard work is done they just toss in a pretty smile with a pair of tits and say "Yeah we're cool. We've evolved too." :bang:

At this point the debates will decide the race barring any controversy.



By the way, her selection should be an insult to Hillary supporters. Hillary earned himself millions of votes in the primary. She earned herself prominence in the 2008 elections on the back of her own achievements, appeal, campaigning, hard work and savvy. She put those "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling" through her own hard work.

Palin was plucked from obscurity, a political nobody, solely on account of being a woman. That is not feminist achievement or accomplishment. That is not groundbreaking or historic. It is a Republican party that cares so little about women that they think any women will do, solely on account of being a female. To say that Palin's assent to the national stage is historic is a bunch of BS, because it is an assent that is entirely fabricated and artificial.

[tmt-Walter]

I still think Hillary would have been a better choice for vp

[Squirt]

She's on MSNBC live right now.

Part of McCains introduction included her accomplishments, one of which was being president of the PTA

One a side note.. her husband is sexy as hell and belongs in Gay porn :D

[deanb]

It was a huge insult.


By the way, her selection should be an insult to Hillary supporters. Hillary earned himself millions of votes in the primary. She earned herself prominence in the 2008 elections on the back of her own achievements, appeal, campaigning, hard work and savvy. She put those "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling" through her own hard work.

Palin was plucked from obscurity, a political nobody, solely on account of being a woman. That is not feminist achievement or accomplishment. That is not groundbreaking or historic. It is a Republican party that cares so little about women that they think any women will do, solely on account of being a female. To say that Palin's assent to the national stage is historic is a bunch of BS, because it is an assent that is entirely fabricated and artificial.

[Squirt]

Wow they place all young people behind her speech right now.. and two real HOT guys :D Though the image capture degrades their hotness slightly

[abostonboy]

I am still speechless.

[abostonboy]

Here you go -

UtilB1teksc

[Squirt]

Mind numbing and insulting to America. I can't believe his own party isn't up in arms at his choice.


Here you go -

UtilB1teksc

[gaybucks_chip]

Mind numbing and insulting to America. I can't believe his own party isn't up in arms at his choice.

well... in private, they probably *are* appalled... I read an article saying that there were going to be a ton of "no-shows" at the convention. But they're also savvy enough to realize that if any of them break ranks and say that the woman is obviously grossly unqualified, that will provide enormous fuel to the Democrats.

The part that's most distressing is that the head of the party would so blatantly obviously go and appoint someone *solely* for "eyewash" and attention-grabbing reasons.

The other interesting thing is... there is apparently a LOT of evidence that her new 5 month old son isn't hers at all, but her daughter's.

She didn't announce her pregnancy till she was 7 months pregnant, there are absolutely no pictures anywhere where she ever looked pregnant, she was working and making public appearances, NONE of her staff knew anything till she made the announcement, and the best part... she was in texas while 8 months pregnant, supposedly her water broke but... she still gave a speech and then instead of going to the hospital, she flew home on an 8 HOUR flight, and insisted on going to a tiny hospital in a fishing town... meanwhile, her daughter had developed "mono" 8 months before and been out of school with her "mono" the entire time, but mysteriously was over it as soon as her mother gave birth... oh, and Mom was back to work 3 days after giving birth.

Apparently the entire vetting process lasted 3 days. Let's just hope there are lots more stories that are equally unsavory.

[gaybucks_chip]

Here's the link with the info in support of the claim:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

[Squirt]

The other interesting thing is... there is apparently a LOT of evidence that her new 5 month old son isn't hers at all, but her daughter's.

WOW that article you linked to was very thorough.

The baby could be her daughters, but why hide her daughter being pregnant?

8 months out of school for mono? whistle

The oldest daughter does look pregnant here, she also looks like she's hiding something

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1113/6873504039standaloneprokr3.jpg

[archer]

and dailykos is your source for this bombshell? i suppose you also believe in ufos and the tooth fairy.


Here's the link with the info in support of the claim:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

[gaybucks_chip]

Like I said, it's obvious you have an agenda, so no use arguing with you, but actually the Daily Kos simply did the best job of packaging together a lot of information that had been assembled and discussed by many other sources.

As for why she's hiding the fact that her daughter is pregnant... you have to remember, this is a right-wing fundy looney Assembly-of-God worshipper who believes that family is paramount, premarital sex is the worst evil possible, abortion is unforgiveable, birth control is the work of Satan, and that evolution is a fraud. As one pundit put it, she's one of the "flat-earth" contingent.

It would have completely undermined her arguments (and, she probably thought, her political career) to have an unmarried daughter knocked up by the local football quarterback (or whomever).

What I don't get is how people seem to think they can get away with shit like this.

[AlexManifestMan]

If she (mother Palin) is AoG that would explain the chignon. I was wondering about that.

On one hand I can totaly believe it since I have folks like that in my tree but I can not believe that anyone who did such a thing would be so naive to believe they could keep that a secret.

I'm just glad I don't fly Alaska airlines. Who wants to sit in a seat soaked in Amniotic Fluid....ugh.

[archer]

my "agenda" such as it is is simply to point out "teh stupid" when i see it. Palin will stand or fall on her own merit or lack thereof and quoting yellow press 'journalism' from a site that really does have an agenda serves no purpose. There is plenty of information out there with which to skewer McCain without resorting to that crap ie fiscal irresponsibility and support of an imperial presidency to name just two.

I just happen to think that, for McCain, the choice is inspired. With one stroke he has solidified the right wing looney base of his party that was, at best, lukewarm towards him. That base will now get out and vote for him instead of staying home. McCain is now free to woo the voters of the political centre which he needs to win.

That's not an agenda. That just pointing out the politics of the situation.


Like I said, it's obvious you have an agenda, so no use arguing with you, but actually the Daily Kos simply did the best job of packaging together a lot of information that had been assembled and discussed by many other sources.

As for why she's hiding the fact that her daughter is pregnant... you have to remember, this is a right-wing fundy looney Assembly-of-God worshipper who believes that family is paramount, premarital sex is the worst evil possible, abortion is unforgiveable, birth control is the work of Satan, and that evolution is a fraud. As one pundit put it, she's one of the "flat-earth" contingent.

It would have completely undermined her arguments (and, she probably thought, her political career) to have an unmarried daughter knocked up by the local football quarterback (or whomever).

What I don't get is how people seem to think they can get away with shit like this.

[gaybucks_chip]

I'm just glad I don't fly Alaska airlines. Who wants to sit in a seat soaked in Amniotic Fluid....ugh.

Except that... the flight attendants on the flight report that there was no sign she was in labor (for the entire 8 hour flight) and, presumably, no amniotic fluid either, since she wasn't actually pregnant :)

[Squirt]

The Enquirer outed Edwards as having a love child, they even got photos

anything is possible with politicians

[camcruise]

Sarah Palin was a sports newscaster
And not a good one ether.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Republican-VP-candidate-Sarah-Palin-s-sportscast?urn=nba,104578

[tmt-Walter]

I would not trust the dailykos nor the huffingtonpost. just saying..

[CorbinFisher_BD]

She is a great Republican. And I don't mean the anti-choice, gun-toting, creationism-in-public-schools part. I mean the $20million dollars of debt she left the tiny town she was mayor of in. How very Republican of her!

[camcruise]

Palin's 17y old Daughter is Pregnant
Breaking news on CNN from McCain
Not on the website yet.
But here one I found.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...cy-915378.html

[Squirt]

Yep she's pregnant (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2944356420080901?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true)

I have a feeling she will finally admit the retarded baby is her daughters.... it's just too odd she takes 8 months off school for "mono" then a baby comes along, and now she's pregnant again.

Remember that Palin didn't come out about her daughters pregnancy on her own, when her VP nomination was announced, it was only after "mudslinging from liberal bloggers" that she came forward.



Palin's 17y old Daughter is Pregnant
Breaking news on CNN from McCain
Not on the website yet.
But here one I found.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...cy-915378.html

[Squirt]

Sarah Palin 7 months "pregnant" with Trig ("her" most recent child)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9515/3073504041standaloneprovb5.jpg

Srah Palin pregnant with her last child

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5232/capt529a19dfc6774f30811bx4.jpg

It seems obvious that when she's pregnant she really shows and her face gets very puffy.

Do you see the difference?

[basschick]

doesn't mean much. i looked totally different with my 2 pregnancies - i was a swollen mess with the second one, and not only didn't get swollen but didn't even show with the first after the 7th month.

[archer]

Never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

Mother/daughter preganant at same time. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.daughter/index.html)


Yep she's pregnant (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2944356420080901?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true)

I have a feeling she will finally admit the retarded baby is her daughters.... it's just too odd she takes 8 months off school for "mono" then a baby comes along, and now she's pregnant again.

Remember that Palin didn't come out about her daughters pregnancy on her own, when her VP nomination was announced, it was only after "mudslinging from liberal bloggers" that she came forward.

[Squirt]

The article you linked to doesn't say "mother/daughter pregnant at same time" a bit misleading

Trip Palin was born April 18,2008.

We only know how far along Bristol Palin is based on what an aid told the press. It's very possible she's 2 or 3 months pregnant.

It's unfortunate that the McCain campaign, and Sarah Palin herself, weren't more honest and upfront with the American people about their family. They've told us everything from she's a hockey mom to past president of the PTA. They never told us she was a grandmother to be. whistle

It's obvious that their plan was to hide the pregnancy until after the November elections.


Never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

Mother/daughter preganant at same time. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.daughter/index.html)

[CorbinFisher_BD]

Oh, we'll start to find out all kinds of things about Palin that the McCain campaign didn't bother finding out before making the desperate decision, for shallow political purposes, to pick her.

- More attention to the millions of dollars of debt she left the tiny town she was a mayor of in
- Her relationship to Ted Stevens, the indicted Alaska senator
- Her relationship to big oil
- More attention paid to her extreme right wing views (antichoice in all circumstances, including rape. Her creationism views and support for it in public schools).
- Her relationship with (possibly even membership in?) an extreme, right-wing fringe political group in Alaska that supports Alaskan independence
- The ethics issue of her abusing her power to go after public servants and officials out of personal vendettas
- Her denial of global warming being related to human activity
- Her support for the "bridge to nowhere" before she was against it
- Her statements about the office of the vice presidency, Iraq, and other important national issues making it pretty clear she was pretty clueless about them up until very recently, if not still so

Rumors about her daughter/grandson/son thing aside, they're not needed to knock her down. There will be plenty of her own statements, video footage, and her future performance in interviews and debates to do that. Once the initial news coverage moves to her views and qualifications (or lack thereof), she'll take hits more damaging than the grandson/pregnancy rumor.

[Squirt]

Unfortunately abuse of power, ethics violations, budget deficits and "do as we say not as we do" are modern day Republican staples and don't phase their party any longer. As long as they pray to jesus and wave the flag with one hand while holding a gun in the other their base will support them.


Oh, we'll start to find out all kinds of things about Palin that the McCain campaign didn't bother finding out before making the desperate decision, for shallow political purposes, to pick her.

- More attention to the millions of dollars of debt she left the tiny town she was a mayor of in
- Her relationship to Ted Stevens, the indicted Alaska senator
- Her relationship to big oil
- More attention paid to her extreme right wing views (antichoice in all circumstances, including rape. Her creationism views and support for it in public schools).
- Her relationship with (possibly even membership in?) an extreme, right-wing fringe political group in Alaska that supports Alaskan independence
- The ethics issue of her abusing her power to go after public servants and officials out of personal vendettas
- Her denial of global warming being related to human activity
- Her support for the "bridge to nowhere" before she was against it
- Her statements about the office of the vice presidency, Iraq, and other important national issues making it pretty clear she was pretty clueless about them up until very recently, if not still so

Rumors about her daughter/grandson/son thing aside, they're not needed to knock her down. There will be plenty of her own statements, video footage, and her future performance in interviews and debates to do that. Once the initial news coverage moves to her views and qualifications (or lack thereof), she'll take hits more damaging than the grandson/pregnancy rumor.

[CorbinFisher_BD]

It's not about their base so much, though. They're base is dwindling. As independent voters and more socially moderate voters who were considering possibly voting for McCain see the likelihood of an extreme, right winger taking his place if he kicks the bucket and running the country - an extreme, right winger who believes in imposing her religious views upon law and policy as Bush has done, who has a history of abusing power for personal purposes as people have grown tired of seeing Republicans doing, and of not appreciating national and international issues same as how the Bush admin has failed to appreciate or understand it all - she'll drive voters away.

[tmt-Walter]

Sarah Palin Baby Story Ender
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b48/skater314159/palin_preggers_400.jpg
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/31/234157/516/1017/581734

even the dailykos is giving up on that story.
I really don't understand how this is about the issues.

I'm voting for Obama but I hate all this anti palin stories it reminds me of all the anti hillary stories when she was running.

I took screen capture of diggs top stories a few days ago. Sad what women have to go through in politics in the US.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3104/2809932083_2de936b739.jpg?v=0

[CorbinFisher_BD]

Well most of those stories on the Digg screengrab are perfectly legit stories. Woman or not, her positions and her history should be looked at. Hillary Clinton went through that during her time running for president. She was "vetted" by the American public during the primaries. She wasn't spared scrutiny or criticism.

Palin came out of nowhere when plucked from obscurity by the McCain campaign, so it's only right and proper the public and the media have a chance to look her over with a microscope and a fine tooth comb. People deserve to know her positions on the issues, her experience, her history - all of which McCain, Obama and Biden have been subjected to and just as Hillary Clinton was subjected to.

[Squirt]

I'm voting for Obama but I hate all this anti palin stories it reminds me of all the anti hillary stories when she was running.

I took screen capture of diggs top stories a few days ago. Sad what women have to go through in politics in the US.

True

I was watching Olbermann lay into Palin the other night and it reminded me so much of his Hillary bashing for months on end.

The fact does remain though... Palin and McCain didn't honestly portray who she is when they announced her to the world.

"Grandmother to be" was erased from the story line to paint an inaccurate picture of who she, and her family, really are.

BTW my best friend from childhood is a Republican christian and we have honest discussions about religion and politics, what I don't like is the Republicans that pretend nothing is wrong when little gremlins pop up and instead point fingers to Democrats as being imperfect and Republicans as being Gods soldiers.

[MiamiBoyz]

Well, now her 15 year old unmarried daughter comes out as a slut who is 5 months pregnant...so much for that abstinence BS that they are always shoving down everyone's throats!

[tmt-Walter]

Well, now her 15 year old unmarried daughter comes out as a slut who is 5 months pregnant...so much for that abstinence BS that they are always shoving down everyone's throats!

she is 17

----
Finally some good advice
Obama says Palin's family off-limits

Sen. Barack Obama said firmly that families are off-limits in the campaign for president, reacting to news that GOP running mate Sarah Palin's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.
Sen. Barack Obama campaigns in Monroe, Michigan, on Monday.

Sen. Barack Obama campaigns in Monroe, Michigan, on Monday.

"Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."

Obama said reporters should "back off these kinds of stories" and noted that he was born to an 18-year-old mother.

"How a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics, and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off-limits."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.daughter/index.html

[MiamiBoyz]

OH my bad...

The little slut is 17 not 15!

[CorbinFisher_BD]

As a political matter, her daughter's pregnancy should really not matter in the election. No more than it being just one statistic among many pointing to "abstinence only" campaigns being ineffective as a sexual education approach.

At a personal level, however, I can't help but feel sorry for the girl. Going through this in the national spotlight, which is truly unfair to her. And, despite the McCain/Palin campaign's statement about her making the decision to keep the baby and marry the father, I can't help but feel a bit sorry for her on that front either. I mean, does anyone really believe it was the daughter's own decision to make? Imagine the sort of pressure he was dealing with from her mother. For some reason, I don't see Sarah Palin saying "Honey, you make the call and whatever it is, we'll support it" so much as "This is what you must and will do, no ifs ands or buts".

But regardless, it isn't an issue that should decide votes or determine perspective. It's a personal family issue.

And Palin has plenty of other fronts at which she's vulnerable and that do matter when it comes to a potential VP. There are countless issues on which she deserves scrutiny and criticism and that the media should rightfully focus on in order to inform the public of.

[MiamiBoyz]

Well, I think IT is an issue since she was quick to point out how her 18 year old son signed up for the Army on 9/11 and mentioned that not once but twice during her speech...so why is it OK to mention that certainly (from her viewpoint) positive detail about one of her children and omit (from her viewpoint) a negative detail about one her other children??

PLEASE!

[Squirt]

Good point

The Republican pundits mention, every time they are on air, that Palins youngest child is retarded, and that she decided to keep the baby regardless.

Upon announcing her daughters pregnancy they also mention that she's keeping the baby and marrying the father.

When politicians put their family, marital status, and health status of their children before the public then they should also expect us to come to conclusions about how they handle things professionally as well.

For instance, we have learned that Palin and the McCain campaign will purposefully withhold information from the public when they think it will impact them in a negative way. So much for the straight talk express.



Well, I think IT is an issue since she was quick to point out how her 18 year old son signed up for the Army on 9/11 and mentioned that not once but twice during her speech...so why is it OK to mention that certainly (from her viewpoint) positive detail about one of her children and omit (from her viewpoint) a negative detail about one her other children??

PLEASE!

[camcruise]

And, despite the McCain/Palin campaign's statement about her making the decision to keep the baby and marry the father, I can't help but feel a bit sorry for her on that front either. I mean, does anyone really believe it was the daughter's own decision to make? Imagine the sort of pressure he was dealing with from her mother. For some reason, I don't see Sarah Palin saying "Honey, you make the call and whatever it is, we'll support it" so much as "This is what you must and will do, no ifs ands or buts".

I guess it will be a Life Time NRA Shot Gun Wedding.

[xstr8guy]

What does that say about Palin accepting the Vice Presidential slot knowing full well that her daugther was going to have to go through this in public? This is a woman/mother that has no regard for her families well-being.

[Squirt]

OH my bad...

The little slut is 17 not 15!

Correct but she was having unprotected sex at age 16 and is now 5 months pregnant at 17 :fuck:

It's funny watching all these Republican pundits now defending a teenage pregnancy. amazing

[CorbinFisher_BD]

All that aside, I'm thrilled to find out how I'm like... presidential-caliber prepared to handle all matters of foreign policy. Seeing how Alaska being near Russia makes Palin a foreign policy expert and all. I've lived in CA and AZ, which are right next to Mexico. And FL, which is a stone's throw away from Cuba. So I'd like to throw my name out there in consideration for the Secretary of State position in a McCain/Palin administration. John... Sarah... look me up if you win. I'm ready to serve!

[CorbinFisher_BD]

Oh and not to trivialize things but did anyone hear the national anthem being sung at the opening of the RNC? Egad. Talk about tone-deaf =\ Coulda been a lotta metaphors drawn from that one.

[BabyMaker]

So is this her 2nd illegitimate kid??? in less than 2 years lol....different baby daddies??? And was the first that has dow syndrome was it caused by drinking, smoking, drugs ect during her pregnacy?? How much you wanna bet hubby is a closet queen :D I am almost 100% sure without even having heard him speak, just knowing these kinds of people it's always the way :)

Now if baby #2 is mixed lol on top of all this mess hehehe she might be able to grab a few obama supports...........this is classic did McCain know anything about her???????

[CorbinFisher_BD]

It just keeps coming.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

"Country First"? She was a member of an Alaskan political group that is devoted to the opportunity to secede from the United States! A fringe, right-wing, anti-environmentalist, radically pro-gun group that pretty much calls the federal government criminal in stealing away the land of the state of Alaska from what should be an independent and autonomous Alaskan state. Holy moly.

[gaybucks_chip]

She apparently was the head person (or one of the head people) behind Ted Stevens 527 campaign as well... that's before she decided that he was too corrupt even for her standards.

Just from hearing her speak, she seems like the total bitch, a rather opportunistic type. I mean, who else accepts a VP slot with a 5 month old kid, a pregnant unmarried daughter, and God knows what other dirty laundry?

Plus... I wouldn't for a moment assume that her daughter isn't pregnant for a second time; the rest of the story is simply too implausible. It wouldn't surprise me if Karl Rove put the current pregnancy story out there specifically to try to squash the real one.

Same old, same old. The republicans are total sleazebags and will stop at nothing. Not that the Dems are lily white by any means, but the Repubs really are evil and simply lie, cheat, steal, or do whatever is necessary.

[CorbinFisher_BD]

Well since it'll get posted sooner or later... here's Sarah's daughter's baby's daddy.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/36902/thumbs/s-BABYDADDY-large.jpg

Unleash your recruiters.

[BabyMaker]

Well since it'll get posted sooner or later... here's Sarah's daughter's baby's daddy.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/36902/thumbs/s-BABYDADDY-large.jpg

Unleash your recruiters.


He looks like he should be on BSB and might need the money rofl

[xstr8guy]

Well since it'll get posted sooner or later... here's Sarah's daughter's baby's daddy.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/36902/thumbs/s-BABYDADDY-large.jpg

Unleash your recruiters.

UGH! HOCKEY HAIR! This pic brings back my worst high school memories.

[Squirt]

LOL look at the Levi Johnstons blog (http://levijohnston.com/Blog/)

Notice the entry on August 29th rofl

[BabyMaker]

LOL look at the Levi Johnstons blog (http://levijohnston.com/Blog/)

Notice the entry on August 29th rofl

Is this his real blog?? This is funny :)

[gaybucks_chip]

It's obviously not his real blog, but a lot of dumbassed bloggers and media won't pick that up.

A check on archive.org shows that it's owned by some IT guy (and has been since 2003)

http://web.archive.org/web/20061113084829/www.levijohnston.com/resume.html

but still funny as hell, and you can bet the guy will be getting a call from the Republican Party pretty soon :)

[Squirt]

The server is extremely slow now, somebody, somewhere, picked it up and posted it somewhere with lots of traffic.

I think it's funny as hell.. especially "Oh Emm Gee - I’m going to be a dad" "Holy shizzles, Bristol’s pregnant! I don’t think her mom knows yet."

and

"She found out"

"Oh no, I think she found out. Bristol left the pregnancy test in the garbage, instead of throwing it in the outside one. I hope this doesn’t leak. I hear she’s going to be running for something political." rofl

[xstr8guy]

Lol, she's 5 months pregnant and this fake blogger didn't even do the tiniest bit of research to make the timeline sync. Dumbass.

[gaybucks_chip]

Well, that didn't take very long... the fake Levi Johnston blog is gone. It would be interesting for someone to track down the Levi Johnston who actually owns the blog and see what sorts of threats he got from the Republican thugs.

I saved a copy for posterity, I'll post it somewhere later today... :)

[archer]

the young palin and her beau

http://www.oddfellow.net/levi_daddy.jpg

[CorbinFisher_BD]

Looks like they're prepping for a shotgun wedding. *bah dah BUMCH*

Well we certainly know he's not firing blanks. *bah dah BAH DUMCH*

Must be a hockey player... he knows how to slip one past the goalie. *bah dah dah dah BUNCH*

This is his rifle, this is his gun. This one's for fighting. This one's for fun.

aaaaaaaaand we could go on all day.

[Squirt]

sexy redneck

I'm inspired to start a new site :D


the young palin and her beau

http://www.oddfellow.net/levi_daddy.jpg

[AlexManifestMan]

My Grandmother got Alice Roosevelt Longworth. We get this?

UGH. These truly are the End Days.

[deanb]

My mom who is a republican, I asked her today what she thought of the whole Palin thing, she said "I love her, and I think she is a great" and then I asked about the daughter pregnant and all the other shit and she said "it makes her more real, she isn't a robot, she is just like the rest of us".

There are people that are going to defend her till the end, and lets not get started on the VP family values thing for Repubs, lets not forget Cheney's daughter is a lesbian. I think throwing her through the mud like this is going to turn more people over to her side. It is definitely a fine line to walk. I must admit though as a Clinton supporter, I absolutely despise the fact that she would even attempt to compare herself to Clinton. I really wish Clinton was VP now, as I could watch Clinton rip her a new one, and no one would have to worry about the sexism that will come from Biden doing it.

[archer]

Now THIS (http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html) a great hit piece.

She's up front about her biases. She lists the facts as she sees them and moves on.

Not a conspiracy theory in sight.

[Squirt]

Now THIS (http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html) a great hit piece.

She's up front about her biases. She lists the facts as she sees them and moves on.

Not a conspiracy theory in sight.

Makes you wonder why McCain introduced her to America as the previous president of the PTA, hockey mom and mother of 5, including a retarded child, instead of pro creationism supporter with no philosophy on public policy (yet running for VP), grandmother to be of child conceived out of wedlock by her teenage daughter and who herself stated just months ago that she didn't know what the VP of the U.S. does. Palins' daughter was out of school 8 months for mono but felt good enough to hit the sack and get knocked up.

The same right wing conservatives that said Jamie Lyn Spears was a whore and bad example for getting pregnant, keeping the baby and planning marriage are the ones that are now praising and supporting a Republican VP nominees daughter who has done exactly the same thing! They say Bristol Palin is off limits, but Jamie Lynn Spears is fair game? hypocritical

Party pieces like this, from all parties, make me cringe.. they're so fluff and on the fringe of truth.

Throwing in an unknown to stir up the mix and distract from important issues is a strategy that robs Americans of a richer, more in depth, electoral process. imo However being McCain and polling behind on all topics of importance to the majority of Americans, it's not surprising he'd make such a desperate move at what is surely his last chance at power in the seat of the presidency. :bad:

[xstr8guy]

sexy redneck

I'm inspired to start a new site :D

Um, isn't he 17?

[xstr8guy]

Sorry... doublepost from the other board. I thought it was important enough to post here as well.


McCain did not choose Palin as his running mate. She was hand-picked by the Council for National Policy... a lovely organization with alumni such as Grover Norquist, James Dobson, Tony Perkins, Pat Robertson, Phyllis Schlafly, Oliver North, Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Jerry Falwell, etc. These are the FAR right wing, ultra-conservative "family values" crowd. You know, the kind of people that think all of us fags should be dead.

McCain wanted Lieberman or Tom Ridge as his running mate. But he chose Palin to appease the religious nut-jobs so they would rally behind him during the home stretch of the election.

McCain sickens me.

[basschick]

family values like unmarried sex and unwed teen pregnancy?

[deanb]

family values like unmarried sex and unwed teen pregnancy?

Well why not, aren't these the same guys that are toe tapping in the airport bathrooms? lol

[BabyMaker]

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected
City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from
the library some books that Sarah wanted removed.

Holy Mary this bitch needs to go, banning books WTF....good letter, is it posted anywhere else??

[Squirt]

Um, isn't he 17?

Bwah ha ha ha a redneck site you freak lol

[basschick]

one thing about mccain choosing sarah palin - look how much time we've spent talking about her. we sure haven't spent much time on him till he added her to his campaign. so she isn't qualified, but she is definitely getting not only media attention but massive amounts of people's attention as well.

[Squirt]

Yes the media is in a frenzy.

They seem much more obsessed with tearing her down then they did Hillary.

It's quite obvious it's not just a liberal vs conservative issue.. there is a blatant sexism in old school mainstream media that doesn't want a woman in power. I never thought I'd see the day when the liberal media would be saying a woman should be at home taking care of her children. On the other hand, they have 4 school aged children and one retarded baby, both parents work full time and the father is gone over a month every year fishing... leaving Palin a virtual single mother and 24/7 governor during that time. One would have to wonder how unbalanced things are for them.

Score one for the Republicans. The base is energized, the media is distracted and all eyes will be on Palins' speech tonight. :rolleyes:




one thing about mccain choosing sarah palin - look how much time we've spent talking about her. we sure haven't spent much time on him till he added her to his campaign. so she isn't qualified, but she is definitely getting not only media attention but massive amounts of people's attention as well.

[buckangel]

I don't know if any of you have seen this but this explains lots of why she was picked..

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Republicans-say-Palin-pass-by-Ed-Martin-080830-542.html

The USA is getting scarier and scarier. If anyone wants to move out of the country and join me here in the Yucatan let me know I have great real estate guys here!! Get out before it's to late...

WOOF
Buck

[Squirt]

The USA is getting scarier and scarier. If anyone wants to move out of the country and join me here in the Yucatan let me know I have great real estate guys here!! Get out before it's to late...

I did that for 5 years, and while doing so traveled a lot through southeast asia. I learned that every government, and every society, has major issues and conflicts.

For instance, in Mexico, foreigners cannot own property outright in the restricted zone, they have to own it through a trust to hold title, making the bank act on their behalf because foreigners cannot enter into the contract. Whereas here in the states any foreigner can buy any property they like without restriction.

I agree with your thoughts on the USA getting scarier. I've been back a year now and remember why I left. The drama gets to be to much and everyday life is stressed to the max. I'm giving my son an American high school experience. After he graduates in two years I have my sights on the Ukraine with a stint in South Africa.

[buckangel]

I did that for 5 years, and while doing so traveled a lot through southeast asia. I learned that every government, and every society, has major issues and conflicts.

For instance, in Mexico, foreigners cannot own property outright in the restricted zone, they have to own it through a trust to hold title, making the bank act on their behalf because foreigners cannot enter into the contract. Whereas here in the states any foreigner can buy any property they like without restriction.

I agree with your thoughts on the USA getting scarier. I've been back a year now and remember why I left. The drama gets to be to much and everyday life is stressed to the max. I'm giving my son an American high school experience. After he graduates in two years I have my sights on the Ukraine with a stint in South Africa.

Yes you are right the bank has a 50 year trust on my home but I can sell it to whoever I like whenever I like. It is exactly the same as in the USA. It's called a mortgage. I just do not make payments. I own this already. Also in the Yucatan the laws are changing and they are making it much easier for non-Mexicans to own property. They welcome us here, Unlike the USA where if you are not "American" they do not want you there.
Mexico is much more progress than you think it is, Trust me. I have been here for two years with no problems. I never feel scared like I did in the USA. Only when I travel and have to re-enter the USA and have all of my bags searched. They never search me when I come home.

[Squirt]

Now it's back up with a disclaimer :D


Well, that didn't take very long... the fake Levi Johnston blog is gone. It would be interesting for someone to track down the Levi Johnston who actually owns the blog and see what sorts of threats he got from the Republican thugs.

I saved a copy for posterity, I'll post it somewhere later today... :)

[Squirt]

I'm with you and know exactly where you're coming from :cool:

You have such a refreshing dynamic life. It's good to see you posting here !


Yes you are right the bank has a 50 year trust on my home but I can sell it to whoever I like whenever I like. It is exactly the same as in the USA. It's called a mortgage. I just do not make payments. I own this already. Also in the Yucatan the laws are changing and they are making it much easier for non-Mexicans to own property. They welcome us here, Unlike the USA where if you are not "American" they do not want you there.
Mexico is much more progress than you think it is, Trust me. I have been here for two years with no problems. I never feel scared like I did in the USA. Only when I travel and have to re-enter the USA and have all of my bags searched. They never search me when I come home.

[gaybucks_chip]

And another great parody blog on Levi Johnston's experience at the RNC (Bristol's boyfriend)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/levi-johnstons-convention_b_123709.html

[Squirt]

The Huffingtonpost cracks me up.

You see this real image of Palin wearing a Tshirt in her University of Idaho dorm proclaiming "I may be broke but, I'm not flat busted"

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/36715/original.jpg

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/36716/original.jpg

And then there's this image of her

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-09-02-images-sarahpalinbikini.jpg

I found her speech last night extremely negative and filled with low ball attacks. It's unfortunate the way they're choosing to go after votes.

[MWCren]

After that speech last night, I just want to know what being a snarky bitch who can read talking points has to do with reforming Washington.

[xstr8guy]

The Huffingtonpost cracks me up.

You see this real image of Palin wearing a Tshirt in her University of Idaho dorm proclaiming "I may be broke but, I'm not flat busted" And then there's this image of her

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-09-02-images-sarahpalinbikini.jpg

I found her speech last night extremely negative and filled with low ball attacks. It's unfortunate the way they're choosing to go after votes.


Is that her underage son smoking a cigarette and drinking a beer behind her? ;)

[MWCren]

Is that her underage son smoking a cigarette and drinking a beer behind her? ;)

Actually thats a fake pic. DailyKos found and posted the original, its not her.

[xstr8guy]

Actually thats a fake pic. DailyKos found and posted the original, its not her.

Lol, I'm actually shocked that it's not her!

[barnkin]

Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war

Well at least we now know the real reason we are in Iraq, now lets see what other issues she can solve

[Squirt]

Actually thats a fake pic. DailyKos found and posted the original, its not her.

Yes I just thought it was funny

the original is on the left

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-09-03-208036176_05fcaef86c.jpghttp://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-09-02-images-sarahpalinbikini.jpg

It's amazing how much hotter a body looks with the right head attached eh? whistle

[camcruise]

Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention :

Some of these are out and out lies.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

[Squirt]

Here is the video. Aren't political speeches from the pulpit illegal, didn't they said it was when Obamas pasture was involved? No separation of church and state with comments about wars we start being created by God are disgusting... I'm literally shocked. I can't even think of what to say..

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ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."

In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."

Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."


Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention :

Some of these are out and out lies.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

[barnkin]

maybe it is time to forget separation of church and state and start taxing churches, if they want to dabble in politics they should loose the tax exempt status.

[CorbinFisher_BD]

Some light reading...

Looks like legit information on Palin:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/an-wasillan-on.html#more
http://fairlyconservative.com/the-race-for-president/a-chat-with-anne-kilkenny-from-alaska/

-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Kilkenny
Date: September 1, 2008 12:20:01 AM PDT
Subject: re: SARAH PALIN

Dear friends,

So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .

Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in common: their gender and their good looks. :)

You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .

Thanks, Anne

ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.



part two follows...

[CorbinFisher_BD]

part two...


She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

CLAIM VS FACT

*"Hockey mom": true for a few years
*"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
*"NRA supporter": absolutely true
*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
*"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation
*"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
*political maverick: not at all
*gutsy: absolutely!
*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
*"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
*pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

Anne Kilkenny

August 31, 2008

[basschick]

i saw that. i guess she, like so many so-called conservatives, forget that the bible says unequivocally that "thou shalt not kill".


Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war

Well at least we now know the real reason we are in Iraq, now lets see what other issues she can solve

[CorbinFisher_BD]

i saw that. i guess she, like so many so-called conservatives, forget that the bible says unequivocally that "thou shalt not kill".

Oh, they remember it when it comes to a zygote or fetus in a woman's womb. But not thousands of 18-25yo American soldiers who have actually been born or tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

[camcruise]

Now this is funny.

http://www.comedycentral.com/

[archer]

actually basschick, it says 'Don't murder'. 'thou shalt not kill' is a mistranslation.

there's a world of difference between murdering and killing.


i saw that. i guess she, like so many so-called conservatives, forget that the bible says unequivocally that "thou shalt not kill".

[RottenRay]

I'm sure a few folks will excoriate me for writing this, but rest assured - if you're reading this, you don't want Palin for a neighbor, let alone anyone close to the already crippled decision making process in the US.


That said, let's see what we have here...


We have a right wing lady who was once a beauty queen of little importance as well as a sportsreader of little importance (thus contradicting the "celebrity" spot McCain ran, which Paris rebutted) who is proud that her unmarried 17 y/o pregnant daughter has chosen to keep her baby (even tho she is personally against anyone else having any choice in such matters) and is married to a fairly competent snowmobile rider who once worked for Big Oil and has a past DUI, just like our current oval office schmoe (36th anniversary of that today, folks!) and claims as part of her resume rejecting the "bridge to nowhere" after supporting it until everyone else admitted it was a pretty good waste of $350 million.

As far as I'm concerned, her bright spot is that she decided to not deny rights to civil unions after being informed by counsel that the wording was unconstitutional.


How far has the Grande Olde Partay slipped when a soccer mom with an errant teenage daughter can be a "energizing" factor?


Now, I'm not really down on her. Or at least I wasn't, until I read this fairly unbiased Time article (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html).

If you don't care to read the whole thing, here's the part that caught my eye:


Governing was no less contentious than campaigning, at least to begin with. Palin ended up dismissing almost all the city department heads who had been loyal to Stein, including a few who had been instrumental in getting her into politics to begin with. Some saw it as a betrayal. Stambaugh, the police chief and a member of Palin's step-aerobics class, filed a lawsuit for wrongful termination, alleging that Palin terminated him in part at the behest of the National Rifle Association, because he had opposed a concealed-gun law that the NRA supported. He eventually lost the suit. The animosity spawned some talk of a recall attempt, but eventually Palin's opponents in the city council opted for a more conciliatory route.

At some point in those fractious first days, Palin told the department heads they needed her permission to talk to reporters. "She put a gag order on those people, something that you'd expect to find in the big city, not here," says Naegele. "She flew in there like a big-city gal, which she's not. It was a strange time, and [the Frontiersman] came out very harshly against her."

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.


I'm certainly not going to take this as - forgive me! - gospel, but it points in a direction I don't want to go.

Nobody has the right to abridge what I say or choose to read or publish. Even thinking along those lines is what they call a deal-breaker.


Now, here's the $64 Question: Sarah obviously wasn't the best choice, not even close, so what's wrong the rest of McCain's short list?


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[gaybucks_chip]

Several people have described the pick as a "Hail Mary pass"... basically a play made in desperation with little chance of actually succeeding.

Theory one says McCain knew that anything less than something completely outlandish wouldn't generate enough buzz to get him any traction. Of course, whether there's any lasting effect remains to be seen; as someone paraphrased from H.L. Menken, "no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public", and there are plenty of dumbasses that will vote for this woman simply because she's the closest we've had to an uneducated low-income, blue collar type we've had running for office in, oh, 100+ years, and people will vote for someone that reminds them of themselves.

Theory two says it's a grand plan by Karl Rove to take her on knowing all the shit, throw her under the bus, and then announce somebody, like Lieberman, who the right wing loonies would never have accepted initially, but who will look great when all the dirt about Palin comes out.

I am guardedly optimistic, but between Rove's various fraudulent and criminal activities, and the stupidity of the American public, it's hard to tell...

[CorbinFisher_BD]

Well I hope a sufficient portion of the public is able to see through the BS and recognize what a horrible choice she is.

The McCain campaign has already made it quite clear media access to Palin will be severely limited - as in no interviews (apart from, perhaps, a People mag fluff piece), no press conferences, no sit downs with real reporters. The Republicans know she can't do anything but read from a teleprompter or from notecards.

I hope the media sticks to the scrutiny and analysis - what all other candidates have been going through for over a year - and doesn't give in and people see her for who she is and realize what a frightful scenario Palin as VP would be.

[AnthonyDeAngelo]

I fear for the children of this country who will suffer if she becomes VP

it is obvious that as a Christian and backer of abstinence as an effective practice, Ms. Paley failed to understand the consequences of pre-marital sexual encounters among youth who have not been properly educated in the use of condoms... youth who may "slip up" or even worse, succumb to temptations of the flesh

this is clearly evidenced in the pregnancy of her own daughter - the lack of education her own daughter had in "safe sex" and "family planning" practices -

baby making aside, does she truly believe that STDs and HIV are not greater risks?

I am afraid of the direction she may try to impose on the education system of this country offering evolutionism once again, as part of the mandatory curriculum

we have struggled as a nation to fight the teaching of creationism - this would be horrid and I guarantee, one of her objectives

[Squirt]

After watching the coverage of this woman the last few days I've come to the conclusion that I'm totally disgusted with what the Republican party represents now. Their party is now telling it's members via church and right wing media outlets to ignore the mainstream media. WTF?

This woman is so rude, bitter, condescending and irritating in her tone of voice. She takes her family to every event and holds that retared baby up as a badge of honor. She will no doubt exploit her son leaving for Iraq on 9/11 even more then she already has (I'm sure it will be a huge photo op, full of tears, and talked about by her from that day till the end of the election)

It's unfortunate anyone sees her as a "breath of fresh air" or something to "energize their party" She has brought a new low to the bid for presidency in America. That coupled with the fact that the Republican party keeps her under wraps and away from press interviews or public question at event deeply concerns me.

McCain said he would run a clean campaign, yet stands right beside her grinning as she degrades Obama at the lowest level possible.

This is the first election I've really been into. Is this how they are every four years? Do they always turn so nasty and low? I thought the beating Hillary got was out of line, this makes what she got seem like a walk in the park.

UPDATE: So I just went on DrudgeReport and see that Obama has said in a recent town hall meeting “You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig,” making reference to Palin calling herself a pitbull with lipstick. Obama said he was referencing McCain in his 2007 about Hillary Clinton and her health care program, where McCain said “I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig”.

Obama also said “You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called ‘change,’ it’s still going to stink". Is this what running for president has come to in America?

[basschick]

it has been for a while.

what worries me - among other things - is that obama just isn't good at that kind of thing. it was the same with kerry - they sound awkward and out of place when they try and come up with folksy zingers to hit back. i'll say one thing for the repubs - they really know how to insult people.

now, there's a reason to vote for someone :bang:


Is this what running for president has come to in America?