View Full Version : Has GWW shut down?
Squirt
07-22-2008, 08:37 AM
I'm getting a "No site configured at this address" at http://www.gaywidewebmasters.com/
MiamiBoyz
07-22-2008, 08:38 AM
Same here...
Lee
camcruise
07-22-2008, 08:41 AM
Your right it is gone.
I was just there yesterday to just see whats up there. It was still up then.
But I must admit that not much was going on there these days.
Squirt
07-22-2008, 09:04 AM
I'm getting the same message for CondomCash http://www.condomcash.com whistle
abostonboy
07-22-2008, 09:08 AM
Business must be really good at the bar.
well --- gay wide webmaster (no s) was available a few days ago to register along with some other webmaster type domains that I know Lee owned. Hard to say what's going on, but it seems the bar is indeed their focus now.
marcjacob
07-22-2008, 09:26 AM
I wouldnt have thought Lee would pull the paysites without telling affiliates. It could just be hosting problems. I remember he hard a hard disk crash a while ago.
bpben
07-22-2008, 09:30 AM
it was working just this morning. I'd say it's a hosting issue
nickbaer
07-22-2008, 09:31 AM
As strange a place as that was, let's hope there is some technical explanation
If nothing else, that place let us know who the bad guyz were in this biz.
archer
07-22-2008, 09:49 AM
well --- gay wide webmaster (no s) was available a few days ago to register along with some other webmaster type domains that I know Lee owned. Hard to say what's going on, but it seems the bar is indeed their focus now.
the bar?
the bar?
Lee and Gary bought a gay bar a few months back.
nickbaer
07-22-2008, 11:25 AM
I always thot GWW was kind of a Dry Drunk kind of place.
Hammerhead
07-22-2008, 12:00 PM
I hope its just a temporary hosting or DNS issue. All the links going to the CondomCash paysites are giving the same error message.
xstr8guy
07-22-2008, 01:04 PM
Hosting issue is my guess.
nickbaer
07-22-2008, 01:19 PM
WHOIS shows that he paid the bill last week!
Updated Date: 07-jul-2008
Creation Date: 07-jul-1999
Expiration Date: 07-jul-2009
Usually if there's connectivity problems - like maybe a Hurricane is coming - Safari would just say it can't open or find the page.
Having that specific an error page is troubling.
I wrote Gary and got a response, the server is down and they are working to restore the sites ASAP.
basschick
07-22-2008, 02:52 PM
thanks, bec. i figured it was something like that because it wasn't a host not found error - it was an actual error.
I wrote Gary and got a response, the server is down and they are working to restore the sites ASAP.
nickbaer
07-22-2008, 02:53 PM
Probably the pay sites first.
marcjacob
07-23-2008, 02:29 AM
I wrote Gary and got a response, the server is down and they are working to restore the sites ASAP.
Who do they host with? I have to say its not looking great for them. Once in a blue moon you can forgive but then its not that long agao that GWW was down with a hard disk crash. If I were Lee id be looking at more reliable hosting.
camcruise
07-23-2008, 08:52 AM
I see its still down a day later. I would be moving to a new host at this point.
Gaystoryman
07-24-2008, 12:29 PM
Still down for me today, have you heard anymore from Gary Bec?
gaybucks_chip
07-24-2008, 01:27 PM
GWW was hosted with NatNet last I knew, and as of just now, condomcash and gww both still resolve to NatNet.
Something else is obviously going on, because both CondomCash and GWW are down, and they are on completely different servers (condomcash is on 69.50.130.176, GWW is on 66.115.136.184.)
So it can't be a disk crash.
Hopefully somebody can get in touch with Lee and find out what's up.
gaydemon
07-24-2008, 01:49 PM
And wouldnt it have been up again by now.. I mean now days even if servers crash, hard disks fails etc.. it doesnt take that long to get it back up.
Still down for me today, have you heard anymore from Gary Bec?
no, I haven't. But I did go back and re-read his response and see something there that I didn't "catch" first time around. His answer was "server problem$"
whistle
Squirt
07-24-2008, 02:44 PM
no, I haven't. But I did go back and re-read his response and see something there that I didn't "catch" first time around. His answer was "server problem$"
whistle
Damn that's a big hit :fuck:
gaydemon
07-25-2008, 01:24 AM
I guess thats not a typo: $ and S
no, I haven't. But I did go back and re-read his response and see something there that I didn't "catch" first time around. His answer was "server problem$"
whistle
camcruise
07-25-2008, 07:24 AM
I guess thats not a typo: $ and S
I saw that too. I find that hard to be a typo.
marcjacob
07-25-2008, 07:41 AM
I think hes saying they didnt pay the bill. Im not that surprised. I mean Condom Cash sites are not likely to win any massive awards with their 1 page tours. There is a reason why Lee didnt ever want reviews done and its not because he was scared of getting a great review LOL Also I cant believe that many people want to advertise on gww. Its hardly where the gay side of the industry get their news.
camcruise
07-25-2008, 07:46 AM
With that note:
"No site configured at this address"
The server is working. There is just nothing in there.
I just tested this on one of my sites.
I took my index page.
Wiped everything out and just put in "No site configured at this address"
It looked live just like GWW dose.
http://www.barebackbrig.com/
So The site is up and working fine. That page was made to say that by the webmaster.
Just food for thought.
cbl_chaz
07-25-2008, 07:58 AM
I think hes saying they didnt pay the bill. Im not that surprised. I mean Condom Cash sites are not likely to win any massive awards with their 1 page tours. There is a reason why Lee didnt ever want reviews done and its not because he was scared of getting a great review LOL Also I cant believe that many people want to advertise on gww. Its hardly where the gay side of the industry get their news.
I have to disagree with part of your statement Marc. At least for me personally, GWW is a major networking hub for my contacts. While I belong to quite a few boards, Gaydemon and GWW are two of the few I spend much time reading. Most of the others I simply glance at for any new threads or updates to threads of interest. I've missed GWW and I truely hope that everything is alright with Lee. He's a great guy and has been very supportive of our community, both on the Internet and his local community in Daytona Beach. I won't assume or speculate on any reasons for GWW and CondomCash's sudden absence. Operating GWW, CondomCash AND a night club are three full time jobs and I am sure Lee is feeling the strains. Lee will contact us, either personally or through someone trustworthy such as Bec and all will be revealed.
Lee if you are having problem$ and want to sell your sites please get in touch.
cs @ barebacked.com thanks
I agree that I've always found GWW to be a necessary part of my day. While I can't say I agree with or approve a lot of what Lee has said or done, I've never bashed him or his sites out of respect for what he has/had created via the GWW community.
Gary did not elaborate, merely a short message, and said they'd be OK. We've all faced sudden problem$ ... I'm sure not one to jump onto some smear campaign while they sort it out. It'd feel like I was tossing TP into the trees of my own house.
marcjacob
07-25-2008, 08:51 AM
I agree that I've always found GWW to be a necessary part of my day. While I can't say I agree with or approve a lot of what Lee has said or done, I've never bashed him or his sites out of respect for what he has/had created via the GWW community.
Gary did not elaborate, merely a short message, and said they'd be OK. We've all faced sudden problem$ ... I'm sure not one to jump onto some smear campaign while they sort it out. It'd feel like I was tossing TP into the trees of my own house.
Fair enough.. I have zero respect for Lee but I probably shouldnt have posted any of that, even if I do think its true.
Im very sorry.
Actually, if I go to GWW from IE7 I get that message, if I go to it from within AOL, I get a standard 404 page not found message. So there isn't a webmaster created index page in play.
With that note:
"No site configured at this address"
The server is working. There is just nothing in there.
I just tested this on one of my sites.
I took my index page.
Wiped everything out and just put in "No site configured at this address"
It looked live just like GWW dose.
http://www.barebackbrig.com/
So The site is up and working fine. That page was made to say that by the webmaster.
Just food for thought.
camcruise
07-25-2008, 09:24 AM
Actually, if I go to GWW from IE7 I get that message, if I go to it from within AOL, I get a standard 404 page not found message. So there isn't a webmaster created index page in play.
I am not sure how it looks at AOL.
If I go to any other page other than the main one I get the 404 page too.
I do wish LEE all the best. I like to go to GWW too. I hope it comes back.
But GWW is live and I just looked at the index page and it is set up like I thought it was.
It's a live index page. Maybe the host put it there? I dont know.
But someone put it there.
abostonboy
07-25-2008, 11:49 AM
You can get the error message from a server crash.
I don't want to speculate, but most server crashes are fixed within a short period of time.
It's a live index page. Maybe the host put it there? I dont know. But someone put it there.
I'm guessing a default page then by the host.
Squirt
07-25-2008, 12:30 PM
well --- gay wide webmaster (no s) was available a few days ago to register along with some other webmaster type domains that I know Lee owned. Hard to say what's going on, but it seems the bar is indeed their focus now.
Is it possible they didn't have the money to renew those domains?
nickbaer
07-25-2008, 12:33 PM
Yes.
That and sitting at the lunch table with the same people day in and day out can get to be a drag.
LOL, now we all have to admit that a real boy at a real table is a LOT more fun than us cyber types! lol
Yes.
That and sitting at the lunch table with the same people day in and day out can get to be a drag.
DirtyRatStudios
07-25-2008, 12:51 PM
Fair enough.. I have zero respect for Lee but I probably shouldnt have posted any of that, even if I do think its true.
Im very sorry.
I think you were right to say what you think Mark.
If something is crap then I believe that people should speak their mind. That is not 'bashing' it is truthful. Being fake and giving a false opinion because you're afraid to speak your mind, doesn't help anyone and just makes everyone else question your judgement.
gaybucks_chip
07-25-2008, 01:08 PM
One can be honest and kind at the same time, or one can be honest and harsh.
I personally prefer 'kind' :)
Lee has his faults and he'd be the first to admit it, but GWW *is* a good community resource. And of all people, Lee knows that letting a site stay down for 3+ days can kill the traffic near-permanently. It can be very hard recovering from that sort of traffic loss.
Even if they haven't paid the ISP, it would not be hard to change the domain registration settings and temporarily point DNS to some $5/month host and put up a page that says "We're having problems, be back in a few days" or something like that. Or they could email all of their moderators and give a short update.
I have to assume that they are simply covered up with keeping the bar running, and maybe a bit cash tight, so the combination of lack of time and lack of funds is shifting their priorities away from their sites. It's hard to imagine any other scenario that would explain allowing all their properties to be down for this long.
nickbaer
07-25-2008, 01:12 PM
The whole (He Who's Name Shall Not Be Spoken) drama of the last six months of GWW's life - without intervention earlier to cut off the abusive user, didn't help justify keeping even the good parts of GWW.
I never liked the place, I never liked the resources.
This Board, has already proven to be substantially better.
DirtyRatStudios
07-25-2008, 01:14 PM
I don't see that what Mark said was particularly harsh. The only way to be kind would be not to say anything. There is no kind way to say that one page tours are rubbish.
Gaystoryman
07-25-2008, 02:02 PM
I am having a bad day, but you know, Marcjacob's retraction was the proper thing to do. No one here, that has said anything, KNOWS why the site is down. Like him or hate him, is one's own choice to make, it isn't a reason to cast aspersions on his operation, to claim he didn't pay his bills, or whatever.
Everything as to WHY the site is down is simply speculation. I had a server issue few weeks ago, the old server seemed to think it should host a site i had moved, so it posted a 'suspended notice' on the page. Account wasn't suspended, nor unpaid, so shit happens. Servers screw up, people screw up.
GWW is down, in an email Gary told Bec it was server problems. That is ALL we know. Everything else is just gossip. :bang:
gaybucks_chip
07-25-2008, 02:09 PM
Gary,
Sure there is.
You can say "Most people don't like Lee's tours because they are very simple and not particularly compelling, and his content is nonexclusive and most is quite old. So the sites aren't strong to say the least. I've not heard of many people having success with them, but it must work at least to some extent for him, because he keeps creating new sites, and he does have affiliates."
It's factual, honest, doesn't pull punches, but still gets the point across without being offensive or insulting.
Perhaps we just have different ways of communicating the same thing :)
DirtyRatStudios
07-25-2008, 02:12 PM
Gaystoryman: Bec specifically mentioned Marc criticising the sites and she implied that Mark didn't have 'respect for what he has/had created via the GWW community'. A complete over-reaction to what was a humorous comment from Mark.
I'm going to restate what I said earlier in the week. I find it interesting that generally, most of the Europeans on this board (Me, Mark, Simon, Fetish) post more edgy criticisms and they are constantly picked up on it by the Americans.
I think Americans need to understand that the way they do things is not the way that everyone else in the world does things. Their way is not necessarily the 'right' way. As I said before, British people are more forthright in their opinions and humour. It might seem 'unkind' to Americans, but that's tough shit. I think there needs to be some attempt to meet halfway?
AlexManifestMan
07-25-2008, 02:13 PM
While some of Lee's opinions are very harsh and certainly inflexible with regard to the 'business' it was/is his backyard. As a host, he is due a certain amount of latitude and respect for that. I know the true story behind many cyber-dramas and more often than not the public perception is totally wrong. Until we know for sure, there is no point in even guessing.
That doesn't make me a fan. Just reasonable.
DirtyRatStudios
07-25-2008, 02:15 PM
That's irrelevant to Mark expressing his opinion of CondomCash. And as for someone letting their domain name lapse and only just renewing it in time, that isn't exactly businesslike? What I've seen of GWW didn't inspire much respect.
Gaystoryman: Bec specifically mentioned Marc criticising the sites and she implied that Mark didn't have 'respect for what he has/had created via the GWW community'. A complete over-reaction to what was a humorous comment from Mark.
I did not mention marc at all ... it was a general comment about the way things tend to get all out of proportion when we don't have all the facts. What I said about GWW and why I don't bash it or it's owner was just a statement of my stance regarding the site, not an indication of how others should behave or respond.
Without GWW I wouldn't know 99% of you. It is where I conducted business, met and learned from others in the industry, proudly served as a moderator for nearly 5 years and found some fantastic people I'm happy to call "friend". From where I sit, I didn't "over-react" to anything.
DirtyRatStudios
07-25-2008, 03:07 PM
Marc clearly thought it was a criticism of his post because he quoted your message and apologised. Between his post and yours there wasn't any other that could be described as 'bashing'. But there was another criticising what Marc had said. So it was fair to assume you were also referring to Marc.
xstr8guy
07-25-2008, 03:16 PM
I was a moderator on GWW in the past. I had a falling-out with Lee and haven't been back since.
I did learn a lot from GWW and met a lot of great people there that I still consider friends and colleagues. And despite our differences, Lee was very instrumental in my growth as a webmaster.
One must remember that GWW was the ONLY gay board at one time. Gary-Alan and Lee brought together our community and gave us a home where we could be free of homophobia. GD.biz and GMS wouldn't even exist today if it weren't for GWW.
Love Lee or hate him... show some props people. R.I.P. GWW
abostonboy
07-25-2008, 03:17 PM
Has anyone ever thought that maybe Lee just wants to see how many pages this thread can go about why GWW shut down? Maybe he has a bet that it gets 1,000 views?
xstr8guy
07-25-2008, 03:22 PM
Has anyone ever thought that maybe Lee just wants to see how many pages this thread can go about why GWW shut down? Maybe he has a bet that it gets 1,000 views?
You know, that has crossed my mind too. Lee has always been a controversy whore. Lol. But I honestly think that GWW and CondomCash are done. He would have never let it compromise his business for this long if he cared anymore... especially with the CondomCash sites.
Regardless of how much money the CC sites earned, they were still probably bringing in income. Either they can't afford the hosting bill or the nightclub is so successful, they just don't care anymore. I tend to think it's the former. Lee has never been one to leave money on the table. ;)
Squirt
07-25-2008, 03:27 PM
I know the true story behind many cyber-dramas and more often than not the public perception is totally wrong.
After 10 years in this business I can verify you are 100% correct.
Another interesting aspect to cyber drama and reality, in our business, is someone will do one person wrong, they are outed online, but others continue to work with them. Later the others will post ( some anyway ) about the same negative experiences, or even worse.
It's hard not seeing a persons face when communicating and only having their writing abilities to rely on. Some people have a greater edge when communicating online and it's not always the person in the right.
I think Americans need to understand that the way they do things is not the way that everyone else in the world does things. Their way is not necessarily the 'right' way. As I said before, British people are more forthright in their opinions and humour. It might seem 'unkind' to Americans, but that's tough shit.
I don't hear Americans here stereotyping others in such a way but so be it. After living overseas the last 5 years I've heard pretty much every "Americans are" generalization possible. Eventually people get to know you for who you are and not generalize based on where you come from. Some people anyway.
Has anyone ever thought that maybe Lee just wants to see how many pages this thread can go about why GWW shut down? Maybe he has a bet that it gets 1,000 views?
Well we know they have internet access and have gone 3 days without communicating with any of us or CondomCash affiliates. They've made that decision for a reason.
DirtyRatStudios
07-25-2008, 03:43 PM
I don't hear Americans here stereotyping others in such a way but so be it.
When you're in the majority you can just sit tight and take comfort in numbers.
xstr8guy
07-25-2008, 03:47 PM
Luke could clear this up. But he's too classy for that.
Squirt
07-25-2008, 03:57 PM
Luke could clear this up. But he's too classy for that.
How cryptic
and the plot thickens :eek:
abostonboy
07-25-2008, 04:10 PM
You know, that has crossed my mind too. Lee has always been a controversy whore. Lol. But I honestly think that GWW and CondomCash are done. He would have never let it compromise his business for this long if he cared anymore... especially with the CondomCash sites.
Regardless of how much money the CC sites earned, they were still probably bringing in income. Either they can't afford the hosting bill or the nightclub is so successful, they just don't care anymore. I tend to think it's the former. Lee has never been one to leave money on the table. ;)
I was partly joking, though it did cross my mind. We can guess all we want. The only thing that one can safely guess at is that a business that is serious about being in adult would not let happen what has happened.
If they can't afford the hosting bill then I would say the night club is not too successful.
marcjacob
07-25-2008, 04:15 PM
Some honesty...
After 10 years in this business I can verify you are 100% correct.
Boy you should know. Youve spread more lies than I care to remember. Been at the heart of some of the most vile drama Ive ever seen, 99% of it totally untrue.. youve involved people in your scummy lies and then turned on them with yet more lies. Now what? Youve changed? Purlease.
Marc clearly thought it was a criticism of his post because he quoted your message and apologised. Between his post and yours there wasn't any other that could be described as 'bashing'. But there was another criticising what Marc had said. So it was fair to assume you were also referring to Marc.
Thanks Garry. Yes I did think that, but I dont think Bec was having a go, just defending her 'friend' which is cool. Thanks for what youve posted here. To think only last week we hated each other LOL. I also think there is a big anti Brit feeling amongst the yanks but what can you do? Ive heard so many lies even this week, with one person who doesnt shoot content, being accused of filming underage abroad. See above..
Has anyone ever thought that maybe Lee just wants to see how many pages this thread can go about why GWW shut down? Maybe he has a bet that it gets 1,000 views?
Your probably right. Also worth mentioning that Lee is in no way "upstanding" or "honest", search "Europeon Lee" on GFY to see his past. And yet he has the balls to pick on others acting like the moral majority.
I did not mention marc at all ... it was a general comment about the way things tend to get all out of proportion when we don't have all the facts.
You didnt. But I thought id pissed you off, and becasue I quite respect you, I retracted what I said as I dont want to piss you off. Bec, I dont see what you see in Lee. Youve always struck me as an honest stand up person. How you get the idea that Lee is comprable in character to you is frankly beyond me.
xstr8guy
07-25-2008, 04:18 PM
How cryptic
and the plot thickens :eek:
OH NO! I didn't mean to imply that Luke was involved with any of this. I merely thought that GWW and CC were hosted with NatNet/Chilihost.
AlexManifestMan
07-25-2008, 04:45 PM
So let me get this right....GWW bounced checks to their host and Luke took the site down until they pay in advance for 3 months? Was the King of Spam somehow involved? Maybe the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms?
See, thats how rumors get started.
If this is all about the board being gone, no big deal. I am wondering how it affect folks that have been selling CondomCash. THEY are the ones that have a legit concern. The rest of us are just shootin' the shit. (so to speak...NOT a new niche site)
Hammerhead
07-25-2008, 05:03 PM
If this is all about the board being gone, no big deal. I am wondering how it affect folks that have been selling CondomCash. THEY are the ones that have a legit concern. The rest of us are just shootin' the shit. (so to speak...NOT a new niche site)
As an affiliate, this is the main reason I'm worried about the site being down. CondomCash was the first CCBill sponsor I ever signed up for and I now have about 120 other Affiliate Ids merged under my CondomCash Id. If the program closes, I might end up losing all my other merged accounts. This would be a big blow since about 25% of my income is coming from CCBill.
Squirt
07-25-2008, 05:18 PM
Was the King of Spam somehow involved?
Are you talking about Steven Blaier? Owner of Dilf.com Studmoney.com and CSB Entertainment?
A search on Google under his name (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Steven+Blaier%22&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS253US253&aq=t) in quotes brings up some spam related stuff about a lawsuit from Microsoft regarding herbal spam .
If you do a business search on peoplefinder.com (http://www.peoplefinders.com/summary.asp?ln=ga+media&city=&state=&x=7&y=17&vw=business&Search=Business&Input=business) under GA Media (gaywidewebmasters.com) you can see the name of the owner of GA Media.
If you google the name of the owner of GA Media (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22GARY-ALAN+CHOYNOWSKI&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS253US253) in quotes you find a fictitious business name registration with the name Steven Blaier and the owner of GA Media on the sunbiz.org site.
If you google, in quotes, the business street address (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS253US253&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=%221458+OCEAN+SHORE+BLVD,+SUITE+140%22&spell=1&aq=t)you see results, including studmoney, which is owned by CSB Entertainment, and a Steven Blaier who, according to whois.sc owns DILF.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/dilf.com) and studmoney.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/studmoney.com).
It's all interesting but seems ancient history as well. It could also be a different Steven Blaier then the one Microsoft sued for herbal spam. So yes all conjecture and seems to be all old news and could be a different Steven Blaier. It doesn't seem like any of this info would affect the current situation, not that I can think of.
How did you come up with the king of spam?
Squirt
07-25-2008, 05:32 PM
Is Steven Blaiers Penis Pill an herbal product? Ah wait yeah it's part of his product line (http://www.protect-x.com/sponsors/EroticaCash) on herbalbucks.com
This all seems like old news though
Youve always struck me as an honest stand up person.
Thank you :)
How you get the idea that Lee is comprable in character to you is frankly beyond me.
Ah sweetie, now you ARE putting words out there that were never said!!!
I merely stated MY reasons for not getting on the bash train, and yes, I admit trying to keep things calm until we get the full measure of what's going on. As Jim said, it's love him or hate him ... but you still have to give him credit for what the board did, and was, at one time for this business and for the gay webmasters involved in it.
abostonboy
07-25-2008, 06:02 PM
As an affiliate, this is the main reason I'm worried about the site being down. CondomCash was the first CCBill sponsor I ever signed up for and I now have about 120 other Affiliate Ids merged under my CondomCash Id. If the program closes, I might end up losing all my other merged accounts. This would be a big blow since about 25% of my income is coming from CCBill.
You wont lose them. Don't worry. Can't say anything about your Condom Cash rebills. But, you wont lose your Ccbill rebills at all for other programs. Trust me. Get a good night sleep knowing all is ok about that issue.
You wont lose them. Don't worry. Can't say anything about your Condom Cash rebills. But, you wont lose your Ccbill rebills at all for other programs. Trust me. Get a good night sleep knowing all is ok about that issue.
He's right ... they'll just swap all the other accounts up under a different account for you. But that may not be necessary, because I know of quite a few sites/sponsors that no longer are active with CCBill but they're still in my accounts listings with no way to delete them.
dzinerbear
07-25-2008, 07:51 PM
As an affiliate, this is the main reason I'm worried about the site being down. CondomCash was the first CCBill sponsor I ever signed up for and I now have about 120 other Affiliate Ids merged under my CondomCash Id. If the program closes, I might end up losing all my other merged accounts. This would be a big blow since about 25% of my income is coming from CCBill.
Don't worry about this. During the bareback drama a few months back, I had a sponsor account cancelled by the site owner because he was pissed at me. It also happened to be the first CCBill site I signed up with, and like you, had hundreds of accounts merged under it. When I lost that account I just contacted CCBill Paul and he easily, quickly, and happily merged everything under a new account. I didn't lose a dime, but I sure was worried for a couple of hours.
Michael
abostonboy
07-25-2008, 09:07 PM
Don't worry about this. During the bareback drama a few months back, I had a sponsor account cancelled by the site owner because he was pissed at me. It also happened to be the first CCBill site I signed up with, and like you, had hundreds of accounts merged under it. When I lost that account I just contacted CCBill Paul and he easily, quickly, and happily merged everything under a new account. I didn't lose a dime, but I sure was worried for a couple of hours.
Michael
You never need to worry about this. Ccbill can switch and merge accounts like there is no tomorrow.
HunkMoneyLuke
07-26-2008, 07:06 AM
...Luke took the site down...
I only do sales for NationalNet now, I am not involved in billing or support, therefore, that would be impossible.
Luke could clear this up. But he's too classy for that.
Yes, you are correct ;)
AlexManifestMan
07-26-2008, 07:30 AM
I understand that Luke....the point I was making is that people toss out things and boards, other folks don't read them carefully or they add their own spin and the next thing you know it is as bad as that elementary school game of telephone.
gaydemon
07-26-2008, 11:31 AM
Never did I think this thread would get this long. :eek:
Lets not speculate anymore, time will tell what Lee is up to. I'm sure there is some sort of rational explenation to it all. We just got to wait and see.
But it did remind me to pull the CondomCash links, I totally forgot about that before reading this thread all over again. :bang:
archer
07-26-2008, 11:40 AM
i haven't been following this thread/drama that closely but were i an affiliate of condom cash, i'd be really pissed right about now.
tmt-Walter
07-26-2008, 12:30 PM
R.I.P. gww
gaydemon
07-26-2008, 01:33 PM
lol i keep thinking that that sig of yours is a real fly. kept hitting my screen!
R.I.P. gww
MiamiBoyz
07-26-2008, 04:29 PM
lol i keep thinking that that sig of yours is a real fly. kept hitting my screen!
I do the same thing!
That BUG BUGS me...
Lee
nickbaer
07-26-2008, 06:12 PM
Me, two! (or three)... because here in the desert (las Vegas) flies don't get as big as in Minnesota.
RDude
07-26-2008, 09:27 PM
Well I hope this thing clears up ok. I have a few sites under condomcash as well.
This thread seems to have a lot of bad blood going on. That's too bad. I mean that sincerely. Hopefully the scrapping will end now so this place doesn't turn into...well...other boards we've all seen go.....(embed toilet flushing sound here).
Just for the record though, us Canadians like everyone. We're supposed to be the friendliest people in the world. lol lol
Hammerhead
07-27-2008, 11:49 AM
Don't worry about this. During the bareback drama a few months back, I had a sponsor account cancelled by the site owner because he was pissed at me. It also happened to be the first CCBill site I signed up with, and like you, had hundreds of accounts merged under it. When I lost that account I just contacted CCBill Paul and he easily, quickly, and happily merged everything under a new account. I didn't lose a dime, but I sure was worried for a couple of hours.
Michael
Thanks dzinerbear, abostonboy, and Bec for the advice on switching to another merged account. If I run into any problems I will ask CCBill to do that.
camcruise
07-28-2008, 07:36 PM
But I honestly think that GWW and CondomCash are done. He would have never let it compromise his business for this long if he cared anymore... especially with the CondomCash sites.
Regardless of how much money the CC sites earned, they were still probably bringing in income. Either they can't afford the hosting bill or the nightclub is so successful, they just don't care anymore. I tend to think it's the former. Lee has never been one to leave money on the table. ;)
I think you are most likely right at this point.
There is no way he would have let this go on for so long without more word about it.
We all reinvent ourselves a few times in our life time. Hope he dose well at the bar biz.
I do feel that he should have said something to the people that was pushing Condomcash, but I guess that's per for the course.
Squirt
07-29-2008, 04:45 AM
I think you are most likely right at this point.
There is no way he would have let this go on for so long without more word about it.
I agree. I'm showing Lees partner Gary, owner of GWW, as owner of a North Florida real estate company with 15 real estate agents on board. The website is fairly nice with lots of listings and pictures of all of the team on a page, including Gary, so I know it's the right person/company. The real estate company is in the same North Florida city as the registered address of GA Media (GWW).
I know the real estate market isn't doing well these days, but that doesn't mean they aren't doing well, or that their club isn't doing well.
Sucks all this research has to be done instead of a clear clean answer, but it is what it is.
A lot of us put many hours and much information on that board for many years. There is so much archived information there that it's unfortunate for all of our work to just disappear without explanation.
gaybucks_chip
07-29-2008, 02:17 PM
A lot of us put many hours and much information on that board for many years. There is so much archived information there that it's unfortunate for all of our work to just disappear without explanation.
That is a really, really good point. A lot of history about various shady operators, very useful information and how-to stuff, and all sorts of other things that I hope aren't lost in the long term. If nothing else, it would be nice to get a copy of the post archive and make it available for searching.
boydollars
07-30-2008, 11:48 AM
Wow! I have been out of town for a week and GWW is gone? hmmm.... sounds crazy.... But I'm thinking the porn world is going to see a huge shake down over the next year..... Kind of like what Blockbuster video did to all the mom and pop shops... And now what netflix is doing to blockbuster.
So any more news on GWW? I'd like to hear.
David
webnet
07-30-2008, 12:40 PM
very bad for the condomcash sites, sure all members cancell their memberships
dzinerbear
07-30-2008, 12:58 PM
very bad for the condomcash sites, sure all members cancell their memberships
I'm sure CCBill took care of that, they're not going to let a dead site sit there collecting rebills and risking chargebacks.
Michael
tombarr
07-30-2008, 07:44 PM
Wow, what a crappy thing to have happen! Whether its poor planning or financial issues or a quick exit, it seems crappy all the way around.
Sucks for all around. I'm sure the surfers and affiliates were upset by this and I feel for them both, but what I think is the most sad is, as Chip said earlier, the removal of the archives information on the board.
tombarr
07-30-2008, 07:51 PM
Was the condom cash affiliate program all CCBill or was there some cascade involved using NATS or another program?
If a program run by CCBill shuts down, does CCBill place an extra hold on funds in case there is a higher amount of chargebacks after the shutdown?
xstr8guy
07-30-2008, 10:12 PM
Ah ha! I think I found some interesting information. Go here... http://web.archive.org/web/20051029204123/www.tattooedguys.com/ and sign up with your email. You will be redirected to a webarchive page for gammacash.com... http://web.archive.org/web/20051001094211/www.gaybymail.com/skins/purple/subscriptions.html
Does that mean anything? Eh, probably not. Lee was probably just doing email collection for Gamma Cash back then.
basschick
07-30-2008, 10:24 PM
i just hope this doesn't mean that lee and gary are having a serious problem - a health issue or personal or legal problem. it's not like lee to abandon a site he could sell for a large lump of cash, and gww was certainly that.
abostonboy
07-30-2008, 10:43 PM
I'm sure CCBill took care of that, they're not going to let a dead site sit there collecting rebills and risking chargebacks.
Michael
LOL! Shhh... I still make about $100 in rebills a month from a CCbill site that closed two years ago!
Just shows how much some people actually check their C/C's!
tigermom
07-30-2008, 11:48 PM
Doesn't anyone have a phone number where they can call Lee? I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, so like Patti, I hope everything is ok with them. It is weird not to sell a program and a webmasters board...
deanb
07-31-2008, 02:19 AM
i just hope this doesn't mean that lee and gary are having a serious problem - a health issue or personal or legal problem. it's not like lee to abandon a site he could sell for a large lump of cash, and gww was certainly that.
I got one of those emails the night before it went down, it was about midnight here, so like 3am over in FL, and he posted a reply to someone, so he was okay at least just a few hours before it went down.
MrMax
07-31-2008, 08:09 AM
i just hope this doesn't mean that lee and gary are having a serious problem - a health issue or personal or legal problem. it's not like lee to abandon a site he could sell for a large lump of cash, and gww was certainly that.
I agree, it makes no sense at all. There are many programs who would line up and outbid eachother to buy a gay webmaster site as established as that.