Verotel Ticketsclub

[RDude]

For those who have dealt with Verotel, or still are, is the Verotel Ticketsclub a good option or do you lose too many sales with it? Here's the description for those who aren't familiar with it -

"If you have a website and want to sell content on the Internet, Ticketsclub is the perfect solution. There are no setup fees and no monthly fees! With Ticketsclub you allow Verotel to 'resell' tickets to your website. A ticket is nothing more then a usercode and passcode, randomly generated by Verotel's computer systems."

This is for a future paysite. I'm just researching at the moment. I have the content and the site is built and all. I just want to look into CC processing and other things before I get on the ball with it.

I may just go with the Verotel Classic when I have the bucks. I mean, it's not like it's an outrageous fee.

Your thoughts? Much appreciated:D

[basschick]

you will lose some sales, and when you have the money, i'd suggest epoch or ccbill if possible, but i know people who started with ticketsclub and did okay.

[gaydemon]

I dont mind the normal Verotel, but ticketclub really puts me off both as a surfer and as a affiliate. I've never trusted or quite understood the setup with ticketclub.

And i got a feeling surfers will also be put off.

As affiliate I have in most cases skipped promoting sites that use ticketclub.

[RDude]

Thanks guys and gals. I think I'll hold off until I can set up the Classic. I'll go with Verotel for now as they are a bit cheaper in starting costs. But yes, CCBill would be nice to have one day. One day.

Peace

[abostonboy]

Thanks guys and gals. I think I'll hold off until I can set up the Classic. I'll go with Verotel for now as they are a bit cheaper in starting costs. But yes, CCBill would be nice to have one day. One day.

Peace

You really need to do the match with verotel. They have low processing fees but add a 1/95 transaction fee for the surfer to pay. Also. they send out an email after every time they rebill. Whenever I get one of those emails I go and cancel.

Rdude,

You know I love ya. But, if you are that strapped when it comes to billing, it maybe better you wait until you can swing Ccbill or Epoch.

This issue of "tickets" and billing companies came up at the Phoenix forum. Word is that Visa is going to start and crack down on the processors. For my understanding of the "ticket" system is the surfer is not technically buying a membership to your sire, but buying something that costs exactly the sale as your site. This is how a few new processors are springing up. I would tread very carefully with Verotel. Or at least open a conversation with them before I began process.

BTW, you will really have a hard time getting affiliates w/ Verotel. Their stats look like some college kid designed them in his freshmen year in computer science.

Stick with ccbill or epoch.

[abostonboy]

I may just go with the Verotel Classic when I have the bucks. I mean, it's not like it's an outrageous fee.


That scare me a bit. "When I have the bucks". Hosting and billing are the two most important aspects of running an online business. You really need to be able to invest on both a good hosting and billing solution before you launch your site.

[RDude]

That scare me a bit. "When I have the bucks". Hosting and billing are the two most important aspects of running an online business. You really need to be able to invest on both a good hosting and billing solution before you launch your site.

Don't know what you mean Lloyd. When I have amassed the funds together needed for this project, I'll invest in it. Right now it's in the research stage. Hosting is not a problem. Verotel will be the billing solution. And not the TicketClub from what I'm seeing here.

[abostonboy]

Don't know what you mean Lloyd. When I have amassed the funds together needed for this project, I'll invest in it. Right now it's in the research stage. Hosting is not a problem. Verotel will be the billing solution. And not the TicketClub from what I'm seeing here.

But why verotel? I am not sure what the content of the site is, but many choose Verotel because they allow certain content. (watersports as an example).

Verotel has three options. When you actually compare the rates to CCbill and Epoch, they come out the same.

The main question is: How does Verotel avoid the Visa fees? On one plan they have a $1,000 MasterCard fee.

I am not saying Verotel is a "bad" processor. All I am saying with Epoch/Ccbill you will get a very robust reporting system, more affiliates, and not have to worry about not registering with Visa. When you do the Math it all comes out the same.

Verotel advertises low rates.

1. In some plans they avoid the Visa Registration. Word at the Phonesix forum was that Visa was going to crack down on sites that do that. Not sure how true it is.

2. On other plans they offer a low %, but then charge the consumer $1.95 a transaction. Just add $2 to your membership price and it's all the same, except w/ CCbill/Epoch you have piece of mind that your site is Visa approved as well as far better stats and a larger affiliate base to grow on.

I guess what I am saying, if you are going with Verotel to save money, it may not be worth it.

[RDude]

Good points Lloyd. I'll certainly look into those other options. Thanks for the feedback.

[abostonboy]

Thanks guys and gals. I think I'll hold off until I can set up the Classic. I'll go with Verotel for now as they are a bit cheaper in starting costs.

This is my point. The difference in startup costs is not that much. I guess what I am saying is you are creating a paysite for long term growth and investment.

So, the difference between $350 (Verotel) and what CCbill/Epoch charges is not that huge. Trust me, the benefit of having your site Visa approved and the additional reports and affiliates that you will get with CCbill/Epcoh far outweigh what Verotel is offering.

Maybe you are Visa approved under Classic. I have no idea. But there is a 7.50 weekly registration feel. That's like $400 a year. Same price as setting up with CCbill and later on of you chosse to add Epoch you can cascade.

[basschick]

jeff is canadian. he may not easily have the option of ccbill or epoch.

did verotel lower their prices? last time i checked, and it's been a while, they charged more than ccbill or epoch to get started.

[abostonboy]

jeff is canadian. he may not easily have the option of ccbill or epoch.

did verotel lower their prices? last time i checked, and it's been a while, they charged more than ccbill or epoch to get started.

They do a very good job at disguising their setup fees. What I don't get is the $1,000 Mastercard fee? Where did that ever come into play?

[RDude]

Wow. I didn't realize this could be such a profound thing. LOL. You're right about my nationality Patti - I don't know whether CCBill or Epoch will deal with my bank. I will look into it of course.

I guess I just saw the $350 setup fee and compared it to the $1300+ that CCBIll and Epoch charge for "at risk" sites. I always do the math before investing in anything so if CCBill and Epoch will deal with me and the cost is the same as it would be long term with Verotel, then I'll go with one of them.

I have heard that Verotel is lacking in some ways like their stats setup etc. As I am thinking long term, perhaps Verotel is not such a good idea.

Anyway....I was just researching the free setup with Verotel and looking at how many sales a person will lose and what the serious cons would be. I mean, nothing is free these days and there is always some sort of payoff somewhere along the way.

Oh...and uhh...I love you too Lloyd lol

[abostonboy]

Rdude,

You should talk to someone at CCbill/Epoch. As I understand it, a Canadian company needs to inc. in the US to process through Visa US. It's a little complicated.

I hope you are creating a paysite under some form of corporation and not your self.

[basschick]

recently someone i knew in canada with a u.s. corporation had to show a drivers license that showed they lived in the u.s. - which they couldn't do because they don't. he went with verotel at that point. canadian banks are not a porn friendly group.

come to think of it, remember pierre fitch? same thing happened, and he ended up chad as the "owner" of the company as far as the processing went.

[RDude]

Hmmmm....yeah that's what I thought. I went through hell and back to cash a BluMedia cheque with my bank. Said they didn't want to take the chance. Had to go to Money Mart. They had no problem with it.

Shit....it might have to be Verotel after all eh? Oh well. So I take it Canadian banks are ok with Verotel then? I guess I'll go find out.

Thanks for the heads up.

[Gaystoryman]

Jeff, check with your bank, I have never had a problem with the TD, that takes US checks and is happy to do so. Yes, they know I do adult too, in fact the bank manager got one of my CD's. It is up to the manager a lot of the time, and with US cheques, if you open a US Dollar Account, it makes it easier. They can put a hold on cheques, unless they know you... I have no holds unless there is a new teller, and we just tell her to check, and the hold disappears then and there.

[BentleyRace]

This has been a really helpful post. I joined with Verotel 5 years ago. Mostly because CCBill (the only other big processor at the time) wouldn't allow Visa payments for an Australian based business. I am not sure whether they have changed their rules now. Epoch will also not process for me in Australia.
So I moved to Verotel. I really do not like TicketsClub. When I go to join up it looks like I've actually left the website and being sold something else. So I will check out Verotel Classic to see if it works better. In fact I think FetishLad is using Verotel Classic... it has a better look and feel. Overall I haven't noticed any problems with Verotel. They pay and pay and pay. What more could I ask for?
Oh.. and thanks for the tip on the big processors not touching piss... good to know ;)

[basschick]

well, the ability to pay affiliates more than 50% revshare plus a way to link through verotel to multiple urls, allowing you to offer multiple tours without special scripting. better affiliate stats would be nice, too.

still, a good site to promote wins out over bad stats any day ;)


What more could I ask for?

[RDude]

Ok thanks GSM. I'll check with TD once I move back to Vancouver at the end of the month.

[fetishlad]

I use Verotel and am very happy.

The fees are reasonable, they don't make me open up an account in the Caribbean - they pay straight into my bank account every week with no fail. They pay my affiliates with no fail.

They offer all types of payments - Visa, mastercard, SMS, 900 billing, online checks, asian billing, etc.

You can set up easily affiliates.

Okay - their interface is not the best, but what do you really need? you can see all details of your clients, you can delete accounts, change passwords if you have to.

Their customer service is great AND most importantly - they are Dutch - so they do not judge you - anything legal is allowed (just not underage, bestiality and pregnant women)

I went with an American company before and it was a disaster, frankly American business ethics can be very dodgy.

Verotel for me rocks! I am very happy with them

And also very important - with the current fascist - christian - anti gay and anti porn government in the US - do you really want your business have anything to do with that country if you can avoid it?

[RDude]

Hmmmm some good points Hendrik. They sound pretty promising. Being that they're Dutch they are most certainly open to anything pretty much.

Is sex involving pregnant woman illegal in The Netherlands?

Thanks for the info Hendrik. Check your PMs.