Obama pulled it off...

[abostonboy]

I don't give a rat's ass what anyone says. Game over. Obama vs. McCain. Plain and simple.

[deanb]

Your next president is McCain, and you can take that to the bank.

[abostonboy]

Your next president is McCain, and you can take that to the bank.

I bet you are a Hillary supporter. rofl:whip:lol:oops:

[deanb]

I bet you are a Hillary supporter. rofl:whip:lol:oops:

I think that is rather obvious. Its cool though, we all know Obama has blocked 2 states from having their original vote counted, or even allowing them a re-vote. Florida will bestow the same respect to Obama, that he gave them in the primary, and he won't win the GE without it.

Obama's visions and dreams are a far cry from the reality of Washington, he couldn't possibly get anything done in the White House, and the republicans will make damn sure every single person sees him for what he is. Obviously the democrats are great at picking presidents in primaries, just look at John Kerry.

Also, everyone wants to forget Wright, but face it, he will be on every commercial against Obama that the repubs can pay for. So he disowned him, what people will ask is why it took him 20 years to figure Wright out when it took the rest of the world 2 minutes.

</rant>

[abostonboy]

I think that is rather obvious. Its cool though, we all know Obama has blocked 2 states from having their original vote counted, or even allowing them a re-vote. Florida will bestow the same respect to Obama, that he gave them in the primary, and he won't win the GE without it.



Two states he was not allowed by DNC regs to campaign in. One state didn't even have his name on the ballot.

The Clinton machine will do anything and say anything to get elected.

Seriously, look back in time. When was the last time we didn't have a Clinton or Bush in the White House? Anyone that is 18 years old right now has never seen anyone other than a Clinton or a Bush in the White House.

The Clinton/Bush dynasty is over. Game over.

[deanb]

Two states he was not allowed by DNC regs to campaign in. One state didn't even have his name on the ballot.

The Clinton machine will do anything and say anything to get elected.

Seriously, look back in time. When was the last time we didn't have a Clinton or Bush in the White House? Anyone that is 18 years old right now has never seen anyone other than a Clinton or a Bush in the White House.

The Clinton/Bush dynasty is over. Game over.

I wouldn't dare say Clinton is over, perhaps this time, I will give you that, but she will run again.

I am still not sure its over this time. I mean really, we are going to just not allow votes to count? Whats wrong with a revote, oh yeah, she will win those states, we can't let them count.

Clinton has fought here entire life for this country? What has Obama done? Talk pretty, he has done nothing else.

[abostonboy]

I am still not sure its over this time.

rofl:whip:lol:oops:

The ONLY way that McCain will become president is IF Clinton is a sore loser and takes the battle to the convention, only to have Obama win there.

Clinton will do anything and say anything to win an election that she has already lost.

[deanb]

rofl:whip:lol:oops:

Keep drinkin the kool aide, I know its cool to support the rockstar, but really, does it get anything done?

[abostonboy]

Keep drinkin the kool aide, I know its cool to support the rockstar, but really, does it get anything done?

Music is the universal language of mankind. ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Outre-Mer

[deanb]

Music is the universal language of mankind. ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Outre-Mer

I am not really going to argue with you anymore, I will bump this thread in November when Obama get his ass handed to him by the republicans.

[basschick]

a lot of the democrats i know are so disgusted by this primary that they say they will either not vote or vote mccain. i'm hearing and reading that a lot.

[deanb]

a lot of the democrats i know are so disgusted by this primary that they say they will either not vote or vote mccain. i'm hearing and reading that a lot.

I would guess not vote over voting for McCain, I just think a lot will be let un-inspired to get out and vote.

[abostonboy]

I am not really going to argue with you anymore, I will bump this thread in November when Obama get his ass handed to him by the republicans.

Deal! :cool:

[tmt-Walter]

More Hillary supporters will either vote for mccain or not vote. Don't count hillary out just yet.

[TropixxxMichael]

Don't count hillary out just yet.

I agree. If it goes to the convention, I think Hillary has the connections to get it done.

Superdelegates are professional politicians and are smart enough to know who can get elected next November.

Until this year, I was a democrat. I changed parties last March, and will not vote for a Democrat ever again.

[deanb]

I agree. If it goes to the convention, I think Hillary has the connections to get it done.

Superdelegates are professional politicians and are smart enough to know who can get elected next November.

Until this year, I was a democrat. I changed parties last March, and will not vote for a Democrat ever again.

Too be honest I wouldn't consider many democrats smart enough for anything. Look at Bush, if they cannot find someone to beat him, then well... lol

This whole primary season has shown what morons they can really be.

[abostonboy]

This whole primary season has shown what morons they can really be.

Hillary would have had this election wrapped up if she hadn't been so short sighted and thought it was going to be over on Super Tuesday. They really had no plan after Super Tuesday.

Now they have no money. Seriously, it's getting down to the wire. Some of the bigger super delegates are ready to pull the trigger and announce who they support. It will be hard for Hillary to convince Americans to drop money on a loser.

Oh. Shit. I forgot, she accepts money from..... UGH!

[deanb]

Hillary would have had this election wrapped up if she hadn't been so short sighted and thought it was going to be over on Super Tuesday. They really had no plan after Super Tuesday.

Now they have no money. Seriously, it's getting down to the wire. Some of the bigger super delegates are ready to pull the trigger and announce who they support. It will be hard for Hillary to convince Americans to drop money on a loser.

Oh. Shit. I forgot, she accepts money from..... UGH!

Hillary isn't winning because people are rapped up in rhetoric, and dare I say it, skin color. I really don't mean to open that can of worms, but there are people that are voting for him simply because he is black.

[deanb]

Hillary isn't winning because people are rapped up in rhetoric, and dare I say it, skin color. I really don't mean to open that can of worms, but there are people that are voting for him simply because he is black.

I will go ahead now, because I can see it coming, I am NOT a racist. I do however get called that all the time because I don't support him. If Barack Obama had Hillary Clinton's resume, I would be voting for him.

If someone came along who was rainbow colored, transexual with 1 eye and 1 leg with Hillary Clinton's record, I would vote for them.

[abostonboy]

If Barack Obama had Hillary Clinton's resume, I would be voting for him.



That's why I am voting for him. Though they both can put the same thing on their resume - Neither dodged bullet fire in Bosnia!

[deanb]

That's why I am voting for him. Though they both can put the same thing on their resume - Neither dodged bullet fire in Bosnia!

And he got what done when? What has he fought for? What bills has he helped pass? What are his legislative accomplishments?

Have you ever looked at his senate record?

[deanb]

I mean, I will vote for Obama if I have to, but I am going to hold my nose, and if something else comes up on election day, I won't cry about not making it to the polls.

[abostonboy]

Hillary isn't winning because people are rapped up in rhetoric, and dare I say it, skin color. I really don't mean to open that can of worms, but there are people that are voting for him simply because he is black.

Actually Dean, there are many people that just do not like Hillary. It really has nothing to do with Obama. Yes, Bill Clinton is popular, but he has turned off a lot of people. Hillary's main problem is that she has changed her message so many times.

I was actually excited when she said she found her own voice. Unfortunately, she has changed that voice she found quite a few times since then.

I WISH Hillary would rise to what she could be - a real presidential contender. Instead, she is always taking the low ground. Instead of rising above dirty politics she played right into the Wright situation to try and score points. Now she has this cluster fuck of a populist message that I truly believe many can see right through. the whole gas tax issue back fired on her. It's dumb anyways. We have bridges falling apart in the US and now they want to cut the money that helps pay for the upkeep and creates many jobs. If the gas tax goes down, be careful when you cross a bridge, unless you are a good swimmer.

[deanb]

Actually Dean, there are many people that just do not like Hillary. It really has nothing to do with Obama. Yes, Bill Clinton is popular, but he has turned off a lot of people. Hillary's main problem is that she has changed her message so many times.

I was actually excited when she said she found her own voice. Unfortunately, she has changed that voice she found quite a few times since then.

You obviously haven't paid that much attention, Hillary Clinton is not only credited with his second white house term, but also credited with Bill Clinton getting the Arkansas Governorship back. She is one of HIS top political advisers, and she is the one that pushed him so far.


I WISH Hillary would rise to what she could be - a real presidential contender.

As opposed to what? Someone with a bunch of talk of dreams, that even some of his staunches supporters wish he would come out with some substance to back up?


Instead, she is always taking the low ground. Instead of rising above dirty politics she played right into the Wright situation to try and score points.

I don't think she got Wright up in front of the press club to make a clown of himself, nor do I think she forced him to give those sermons. She was asked a question, she answered it. I can ask you the same thing. Would you have continued going to that church?


Now she has this cluster fuck of a populist message that I truly believe many can see right through. the whole gas tax issue back fired on her. It's dumb anyways.

Perhaps you have never been poor, and don't realize that the minimum wage in this country is 5.75. Thats it. After taxes taken out of your check, that would amount to about 4.50 an hour. That is a gallon of gas. When you tell someone who makes 5 bucks an hour that they are ONLY going to save 30-40 bucks, it doesn't matter to them. That is 6-8 meals at mcdonalds. That is groceries on the table. That is other items that they may need. 40 dollars to someone who makes 5 bucks an hours is 8 hours of work. A FULL DAY.

Besides that, there are also a TON of truckers that would benefit from this. My father-in-law owns a trucking company. It cost him $1 per mile in gas just to have the truck on the road. That doesn't include insurance, the driver, repair costs or truck payments. 24 cents a gallon ads up fast. Really fast when you operate trucks. It amounts to about a dollar saved for every 20 miles.

Looking at the small picture on this whole gas tax, sure, it sounds stupid and silly, but there is a bigger picture. It saves about 8 billion dollars over the course of it.

You can sight all of the economists in the world, they are all making tons of money, and can afford the gas. Ask someone making 5-7 bucks an hour, struggling to pay their bills what they think of it, they will take anything they can get.


We have bridges falling apart in the US and now they want to cut the money that helps pay for the upkeep and creates many jobs. If the gas tax goes down, be careful when you cross a bridge, unless you are a good swimmer.

Did you even pay attention to the plan? You must have heard McCain's version, he is the one that wants to just take away the tax and shit the money out. Hillary calls for the Oil Companies to pay it. She has said flat out, that it is not a long term solution, but it does help.


Sorry to write so much, I am hugely involved in this election, and have gotten into politics for the first time really this year. I have done considerable research on the topics, and I enjoy talking about them and debating them. I hope no one takes offense to what I say or spout, everyone has their opinions. I do however enjoy a good debate. whistle

[abostonboy]

Have you ever looked at his senate record?

Yes, actually i have. In pretty good detail. And based on what i have seen he seems not so swayed by special interest groups.

[deanb]

Yes, actually i have. In pretty good detail. And based on what i have seen he seems not so swayed by special interest groups.

It seems like everything with a special interest, or anything of much controversy, he just chose not to vote on. Much like he did in Illinois. Even Barack Obama has commented that the senate was much more of a challenge than he thought, and that he wasn't able to get as much done as he wanted to.

[abostonboy]

I am not really going to argue with you anymore

You remind me of Clinton. Say one thing and do another...

[abostonboy]

It seems like everything with a special interest, or anything of much controversy, he just chose not to vote on. Much like he did in Illinois. Even Barack Obama has commented that the senate was much more of a challenge than he thought, and that he wasn't able to get as much done as he wanted to.

Does anyone get anything done in the senate? Seriosly.

[deanb]

Does anyone get anything done in the senate? Seriosly.

Not by a person who ranks 99th in the senate and isn't there for most of the voting. lol

[deanb]

You remind me of Clinton. Say one thing and do another...

And continues to be right on the issues :D

[abostonboy]

Did you even pay attention to the plan? You must have heard McCain's version, he is the one that wants to just take away the tax and shit the money out. Hillary calls for the Oil Companies to pay it. She has said flat out, that it is not a long term solution, but it does help.




Ok. Oil companies pay the tax. Then guess what they do? they raise the price of gas! That's why Hillary's plan is a mess.

It's like asking a cigarette company to pay the tax. The price of cigs just went up.

Economy 101.

[deanb]

Ok. Oil companies pay the tax. Then guess what they do? they raise the price of gas! That's why Hillary's plan is a mess.

It's like asking a cigarette company to pay the tax. The price of cigs just went up.

Economy 101.

And she wants to put regulations in place so they CAN NOT do that, it would be a windfall profits tax, not just an extra tax for the oil companies to pick up and pass on.

[deanb]

Here is a link to some YouTube videos from a special MSNBC did on Hillary, its lengthy, but very in depth, and is a great story. I shed a few tears during it :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnpIfUTkXoY

[abostonboy]

And she wants to put regulations in place so they CAN NOT do that, it would be a windfall profits tax, not just an extra tax for the oil companies to pick up and pass on.

EVERYONE says it's impossible to get that passed both McCain's and Clintons. It's all talk to get votes.

[deanb]

EVERYONE says it's impossible to get that passed both McCain's and Clintons. It's all talk to get votes.


I suppose they could talk a bunch of hope without offering any. 666

[abostonboy]

I suppose they could talk a bunch of hope without offering any. 666



"Once you choose hope, anything's possible."
Christopher Reeve

[deanb]

Christopher Reeve

Not to appear like a complete dick, but examine the source of that quote.

[abostonboy]

I did. Christopher Reeve was actually a very brave man in his battle. He OFFERED hope to many. Now, to take it a step further, yes he died before he could walk again. But, was that really what he was hoping for? That he could walk. Or was it much deeper that he wanted to inspire people to challenge themselves? Maybe what he really hoped for (and maybe not even knew it) was much more than walking and living to an old age. Think stem cell research. Think outside the box a bit. Quotes are not what they first appear to be.

[deanb]

I did. Christopher Reeve was actually a very brave man in his battle. He OFFERED hope to many. Now, to take it a step further, yes he died before he could walk again. But, was that really what he was hoping for? That he could walk. Or was it much deeper that he wanted to inspire people to challenge themselves? Maybe what he really hoped for (and maybe not even knew it) was much more than walking and living to an old age. Think stem cell research. Think outside the box a bit. Quotes are not what they first appear to be.

So I will take the hope from Obama and bet it on someone who could deliver like Clinton. I really don't want to rag on the dead, but Reeves was really hoping for more than he could accomplish, we both know that. Same with Obama. There is a video of Cher (yes I know) about Jimmy Carter becoming president, he had lots of hopes and dreams, and he got cut off at the knees by Washington and I can't help but have an overwhelming fear that Obama would suffer the same fate.

[gaydemon]

Totally agree, you lost out again..


Your next president is McCain, and you can take that to the bank.

[deanb]

Totally agree, you lost out again..

You know. Thank you for that!

I think seriously, if Hillary is not president, I will wonder forever in my life, what if?

Everyone is pissed at her for being negative, when she has really be mild. What is Obama going to do up next to the republicans? Cry about it? Cry about the politics as usual?

What would Hillary do? She would take his ass to task, show him the door and guide his way through it. You people that think she is being negative on Obama a)don't know the republicans and b)don't know Hillary.

This country is making a HUGE mistake, and McCain will be the next president. Leave it to the democrats to fuck up an election that was pretty much handed too them.

[RottenRay]

Hillary would have had this election wrapped up if she hadn't been so short sighted and thought it was going to be over on Super Tuesday.

There is a lot weighing against her at the moment, not the least of which is whether or not SHE CAN REMEMBER BEING SHOT AT WHILE HOLDING HER DUMB DAUGHTER'S HAND on a state visit to Bosnia. That's sort of good, since it lets everyone forget about her participation in the Whitewater land scandal and lets everyone forget that she's married to a chronic liar who would again have free run of the White House.

There is a lot weighing agains Barack at the moment because he couldn't decide WHEN TO CALL A REBEL PREACHER A REBEL PREACHER. That's sort of good because it lets everyone forget about the great deal he got on his home under shady circumstances invovling a convicted swindler/lobbyist, or that he has been receiving campaign contributions from dead and nearly-dead actors (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/dead-actor-roy.html).


And, there is a lot weighing against McCain at the moment - the performance of the Grand Old Party for the last 8 years. Highlights include the response to Hurricane Katrina, Tom DeLay's arrest warrant, the US economy, the oddly-worded 'No Child Left Behind' legislation that seems to aid education but actually cuts school budgets making it tougher to hire new teachers or put fuel in schoolbuses, and, of course, the creation of the Homeland Security Department, the invasion of privacy the War On Terrorism has caused, and the things that have happened since "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq, which include more than 4,000 dead US troops. Not to mention that most Arizona people who are 40+ years old remember him as a bad-tempered asshole.

That's all sort of good, because it doesn't let us forget ANYTHING that has happened in the last 8 years, or that the cost of energy has gone up more than 100% during the last 2 Republican administrations.


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[abostonboy]

People say that "polls" show that a certain percentage of Hillary supporters will either vote for McCain or not vote at all.

Yet, in the past few primaries, 25% of the Republicans have voted against McCain. And he is ALREADY the nominee. I mean, seriously, don't they have anything to better to waste their time on than go vote for someone who has already won?

[gaybucks_chip]

Not to mention all of the republicans who are playing dirty politics and voting for Hillary specifically because they don't want to go against Obama, and they figure that Hillary can bash him harder with no negative backlash against the republicans.

Dean, I know that you're a really strong Hillary supporter and feel like the Democrats are making a huge mistake. Maybe they are... but the Hillary supporters who don't get what they want and go around telling everyone that McCain will win aren't exactly supporting the democratic party.

Just a thought... perhaps instead of talking about how McCain will be the next president, why not make a commitment to support whomever (probably Obama) gets the nod? Obama certainly has his issues; *nobody* gets to that level without a certain amount of gamesmanship and political backdoor stuff going on. But I would argue that practically ANY democrat (and certainly Clinton or Obama) will be a thousandfold improvement over McCain.

By being bitter about how the Democrats are going to lose because they didn't choose Hillary, you are contributing in your own small way toward making that happen. Whether by people reading your commentary on the boards, or just the energy you send into the universe, you have some effect. If, instead, you put that same energy toward getting the Democratic nominee in the White House, it might make a difference.

To me, what ultimately matters is that we get someone who can start to undo all of the damage and efforts toward ruining our country and our economy that Bush and his band of cronies have done. Politics is almost always a "lesser of two evils" situation, and in my opinion, it would be hard to find a situation where McCain is the "lesser of two evils." In that frame of mind, anything we do that in any way contributes to McCain getting elected (even if just talking about its inevitibility) is not in our best interests either as a country or as an industry.

[deanb]

Not to mention all of the republicans who are playing dirty politics and voting for Hillary specifically because they don't want to go against Obama, and they figure that Hillary can bash him harder with no negative backlash against the republicans.

Dean, I know that you're a really strong Hillary supporter and feel like the Democrats are making a huge mistake. Maybe they are... but the Hillary supporters who don't get what they want and go around telling everyone that McCain will win aren't exactly supporting the democratic party.

Just a thought... perhaps instead of talking about how McCain will be the next president, why not make a commitment to support whomever (probably Obama) gets the nod? Obama certainly has his issues; *nobody* gets to that level without a certain amount of gamesmanship and political backdoor stuff going on. But I would argue that practically ANY democrat (and certainly Clinton or Obama) will be a thousandfold improvement over McCain.

By being bitter about how the Democrats are going to lose because they didn't choose Hillary, you are contributing in your own small way toward making that happen. Whether by people reading your commentary on the boards, or just the energy you send into the universe, you have some effect. If, instead, you put that same energy toward getting the Democratic nominee in the White House, it might make a difference.

To me, what ultimately matters is that we get someone who can start to undo all of the damage and efforts toward ruining our country and our economy that Bush and his band of cronies have done. Politics is almost always a "lesser of two evils" situation, and in my opinion, it would be hard to find a situation where McCain is the "lesser of two evils." In that frame of mind, anything we do that in any way contributes to McCain getting elected (even if just talking about its inevitibility) is not in our best interests either as a country or as an industry.

First of all McCain really isn't that bad. Let me start by saying that. I actually wouldn't mind a McCain presidency, and its something everyone else will have to get used to.

Every major network has reported that the "Limbaugh effect" really didn't affect much.

Also, I don't understand why everyone seems to thing that some how because I voted for Hillary that I have to vote for Obama. I can vote for whoever I feel comfortable with, and to be honest, I am not really sure if I feel more comfortable with McCain or with Obama. Obama seriously scares me. Like SERIOUSLY, so McCain is definitely an option for me, or I may just sit at home if I don't get any more thrilled about either of them.

Another thing, on the Iraq war, I am not really sure what I feel. I am leaning towards the fact that we really need to stay there, I am 100% not for just withdrawing all of our forces on a set date.

[deanb]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/07/limbaugh-comes-out-for-obama/

[abostonboy]

I guess one can choose whoever they feel comfortable with. McCain is just four more years of George Bush. However, with McCain, I would look seriously at who the VP is. The VP may actually be the president at some point.

If ones feels that the country has been going in the right direction for the past 8 years, then McCain is by far the best choice.

I have personally lost over 100,000 in the stock market. Am paying $800 a month for health insurance. Have seen conservative judges appointed to the Supreme Court that will embrace 2257 when and if it goes there. And, seen my retirement account drop over 20%. Not really want I want anymore of.

At one point (years ago) I actually like McCain. Recently, however, I don't feel he is the "maverick" he used to be. But, then again he is the oldest person to run for the highest office. So, maybe age is taking its toll.

[deanb]

I have personally lost over 100,000 in the stock market. Am paying $800 a month for health insurance. Have seen conservative judges appointed to the Supreme Court that will embrace 2257 when and if it goes there. And, seen my retirement account drop over 20%. Not really want I want anymore of.

Here is what I don't understand. What makes you trust Obama with that? I don't get why anyone would trust him, he is a freshman politician with no real accomplishments, which he has even acknowledged, and he has no plans to accomplish anything that he talks about. He talks pretty, thats it. I will give him his props for that, the man can deliver a fine speech.

[abostonboy]

McCain has openly admitted he knows very little about the economy.

The bottom line is this: The president is only one part of an administration. I would say that 90% of the decisions made by Bush were made by his "advisors". Seriously. Bill Clinton surrounded himself with some great people who knew how to jumpstart the economy. Who is saying that Obama wont do the same?

I know for a fact that McCain will appoint people that support and ultra conservative administration and support the policies of George Bush. That frightens me more than the supposedly lack of experience of Obama. I think that's half the problem in Washington. Experience.

On a CNN show I actually had my email read when the question was asked about how to fix Washington, my reply, "Apply within. No Experience preferred."

[deanb]

Who is saying that Obama wont do the same?

See, it seems you are even uncertain. I just don't get it.

[abostonboy]

Here is a good post on experience vs. wisdom vs jugement.

It's a good read.
http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/07/clinton-vs-obama-experience-vs-change/

[deanb]

Here is a good post on experience vs. wisdom vs jugement.

It's a good read.
http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/07/clinton-vs-obama-experience-vs-change/

Pretty good article, though you really cannot judge Lincoln and Kennedy with a good or bad president. Neither of them finished up their terms in office, and who knows what would have happened.whistle

[gaybucks_chip]

Dean,

I didn't mean to imply that you (or anyone) supporting Hillary is obligated to vote for Obama. However, if you are seeking someone whose views are close to Hillary's, Obama is recognized by pretty much everyone (including Hillary) to have very similar views to hers.

From a very pragmatic, business-oriented perspective, McCain will, at least in one way, be bad for the country, for gays, and for porn. He has said that he wants to appoint very conservative Supreme Court justices in the mold of Alito and Roberts.

Alito and Roberts lied their asses off in front of Congress in order to get confirmed. They swore they'd uphold settled precedent, they insisted their religious views wouldn't ever enter into their decisions, they swore on a stack of bibles that they'd never even given 10 seconds thought to the abortion issue. But in the time they've been on the bench, they've felt apparently no reluctance to overturn precedent that in some cases has been settled for more than 40 years... and, indeed, many constitutional scholars have argued that these conservatives are, in terms of revisiting settled issues, far more "activist" than the so-called "activist judges" that Bush sought to replace. These guys (and others like them) will not be friendly to gays, to those in the adult industry, to those seeking various personal freedoms such as abortion, drug liberalization policy, etc.

McCain's economic policy, to the extent he's spoken of it, is straight out of Bush's make-the-rich-richer-and-the-poor-poorer plan.

And McCain, as Lloyd said, will surround himself with the same loser Republican cronyism, with its ties to defense contractors, Beltway Bandits, and others.

Granted this isn't an unbiased comparision, and as I said, Obama isn't perfect by any means. But the way I look at it is this. Basically, Obama is, to me, someone with an untested but recognized as very smart and well educated person with good ideas (even if not fully developed), a long history of helping the underprivileged and working for the principles of the democratic party, a commitment to social justice and typical democratic principles.

McCain represents more of the same in economic policy, war policy, foreign policy, along with continued conservative agenda, pandering to the religious right, and all of the other hallmarks for which the Republican Party has been known in recent years.

For me, at least, there's no choice. But I understand and respect that others see it completely differently. Hell, there's 20% of the US population that still believe that Bush is doing a great job as president. It's probably the same 20% that believes that Martians are flying around in UFOs, but hey, it's a free country :)