GEO IP Pricing & RevShare

[Gaystoryman]

Okay, there are a couple of threads already on GEO IP Pricing, one dealing with how surfers compare prices, another for the paysite owners, so how about one for us Affiliates? whistle

Targeting an IP by georgraphical location isn't new, but now that some paysites are planning on making their membership pricing available in various currencies, due to GEO IP, I have a few questions for us RevShare affiliates.

To begin with, I sign up and get say 50% or 60% or whatever of any sign ups, and any rebills. Now in going through ccBill and Epoch, they send out the cheques, now last time I checked, we all get paid in US dollars. So what, they calculate the sign ups in different currencies, then calculate it back into USD for affiliate payouts? And how much of a service charge is that gonna cost?

I know years ago VISA got dinged for something similar, which is why today if you travel abroad, your VISA purchases get dinged the exchange rate for the date of purchase, not the date of your bill. Good reason too, as we all know how they fluctuate.

So can someone explain how revshare is going to work, so that if I sell a UK guy a membership, do I get my cut on the EURO rate, the USD rate, the Pound Sterling rate? Specially when I look at Jim's picture he posted, his site for example is getting 1.10 more for Canuck Members, so if I am revshare, am I getting my cut on the US Price or the price the Member was charged?

There is something else that smells about this, and that is the last column in that image from Jim, which says 'additional realized revenue' which seems to say to me, that the sponsor is getting the difference from exchange rates, but the affiliate isn't, or are they?

For the sake of discussion, let's say I sell 10 Canuck membership to Jim's site, at 1.10 rate. I sell 10 US memberships as well. What is my cut? Say it is set to 50% and say a sale is $20 US, $30 CDN, is my revshare cheque gonna be $250?

(don't bitch about my math, I know $30 isn't right, but I am lazy, so making it easy to use those numbers :D)

There is also this, the CDN buck is higher, but on the charges, is shown as being less than the USD, so, can you all see how confusing this is going to be?

Now I may not be reading that right, but I'd sure like to know how this all is gonna work for revshare affiliates. And while at it, how in heck are we gonna know if surfers from the UK signed up from our site or not?

[xstr8guy]

So can someone explain how revshare is going to work, so that if I sell a UK guy a membership, do I get my cut on the EURO rate, the USD rate, the Pound Sterling rate? Specially when I look at Jim's picture he posted, his site for example is getting 1.10 more for Canuck Members, so if I am revshare, am I getting my cut on the US Price or the price the Member was charged?

There is something else that smells about this, and that is the last column in that image from Jim, which says 'additional realized revenue' which seems to say to me, that the sponsor is getting the difference from exchange rates, but the affiliate isn't, or are they?

For the sake of discussion, let's say I sell 10 Canuck membership to Jim's site, at 1.10 rate. I sell 10 US memberships as well. What is my cut? Say it is set to 50% and say a sale is $20 US, $30 CDN, is my revshare cheque gonna be $250?

(don't bitch about my math, I know $30 isn't right, but I am lazy, so making it easy to use those numbers :D)

There is also this, the CDN buck is higher, but on the charges, is shown as being less than the USD, so, can you all see how confusing this is going to be?

Now I may not be reading that right, but I'd sure like to know how this all is gonna work for revshare affiliates. And while at it, how in heck are we gonna know if surfers from the UK signed up from our site or not?


Whoa, whoa! Don't pick on us! Lol.

We have deactivated that feature in our CCbill admin. We are NOT GEO-IP targeting your surfers anymore. Once we became aware of this funky situation, we stopped. Also, we have no control over the exchange rates. We did not set 1:1.10 for Canadian membership price... that is CCbill's department.

And as far as I can tell from the stats, if you sold a membership to our site while we had the GEO-IP activated to someone in France (for the sake of argument) and they were charged 26.95 Euros, you would have received 50% of the sale in Euros then converted to USD at a normal exchange rate 1:1.5 or thereabouts. So instead of earning $13.48, you would have earned in the neighborhood of $20 USD for your revshare (19.84 to be exact). And a UK sale would have netted you $17.79 and a Canadian sale would have been $13.87.

[Gaystoryman]

Whoa, whoa! Don't pick on us! Lol.

We have deactivated that feature in our CCbill admin. We are NOT GEO-IP targeting your surfers anymore. Once we became aware of this funky situation, we stopped. Also, we have no control over the exchange rates. We did not set 1:1.10 for Canadian membership price... that is CCbill's department.

And as far as I can tell from the stats, if you sold a membership to our site while we had the GEO-IP activated to someone in France (for the sake of argument) and they were charged 26.95 Euros, you would have received 50% of the sale in Euros then converted to USD at a normal exchange rate 1:1.5 or thereabouts. So instead of earning $13.48, you would have earned in the neighborhood of $20 USD for your revshare (19.84 to be exact). And a UK sale would have netted you $17.79 and a Canadian sale would have been $13.87.

lol not picking on you, just you had the info posted, so it was easy to use, but I like your answer and how you suspended the GEO while this gets sorted out too, shows you are one of those who are on top of things, and who cares.

So affiliates that sell a membership to a foreign member, get credit in that currency, which these processors then convert back into USD, which I guess is okay, but like VISA did many years ago.. they were accused of fiddling with rates... so what assurances do you as a sponsor have that affiliates, and yourself, get credited with the right exchange rate, for the sale on a particular day? or do these processors wait till there is a lower rate between them to pay out?

Now I am not saying ANYONE is doing this, just pointing out how confusing this all is, how unsafe it is too, for everyone concerned. :cool:

[abostonboy]

So can someone explain how revshare is going to work, so that if I sell a UK guy a membership, do I get my cut on the EURO rate, the USD rate, the Pound Sterling rate? Specially when I look at Jim's picture he posted, his site for example is getting 1.10 more for Canuck Members, so if I am revshare, am I getting my cut on the US Price or the price the Member was charged?



You are getting a cut.

[abostonboy]

Ian,

Here is the deal. It depends on the affiliate program. If you are using CCbill and you are on a % rev-share there is no way that I know of NOT to pay you the % based on whatever currency it was in converted back to USD.

That's one of my points - Many affiliates outside the US are seeing their expenses go up, yet their revenue go down. Geo-ip will give them a raise.

Now, we are working on something a little better than that for affiliates. Unfortunatley, I can't say what just yet. Hopefully soon!

[AlexManifestMan]

Our affiliates get 50% of whatever the customer is billed. The affiliates that are selling the euro based (higher costs) are making more than ever and have zero problems with it. It is a win-win deal for us.

[HunkMoneyLuke]

Our affiliates get 50% of whatever the customer is billed. The affiliates that are selling the euro based (higher costs) are making more than ever and have zero problems with it. It is a win-win deal for us.

Same for us, if you are on a 60% revshare tier with us, you get 60% of either a USD or EURO signup. Epoch sets the currency conversion rate daily and pays us out in USD, and our NATS system takes that amount provided by epoch and splits it.