Overused content - List or not?

[gaydemon]

I keep seeing free and avs site submitters using the same content over and over again wanting to be listed on gaydemon.com

The question is, at what point should you stop listing sites using more of the same?

Or should I just continue to list sites with no limit of similiar content?

And how about the surfers, surely it must be boring and a bad thing for surfers if they keep seeing the same stuff over and over again?

[basschick]

i think it depends on how often the content has recently been listed on other sites and just how overexposed it is. it won't do your site any good to list the same sets of content day after day, and if gaydemon loses bookmarkers, it won't do anyone any good.

[dzinerbear]

This is a tough one. I had a few exchanges with another link list over this issue. He decided that some content that I purchased was "over-used" even though it was less than six months old in the content store. On the same day he refused my site, within about two clicks I found a site on his link list with four-year old pictures, photos that I first put up on my site in 2004, so go figure.

By the same token, I run a link list and I know what it's like to open the third link with the same set of Broke Straight Boys content on it.

It's also upsetting to a webmaster when they go to the trouble of putting your recip on their site and submitting it to you, just to have you turn them down. In most cases the webmaster will leave your link on their site and just move on. So you get the link and they get nothing. That's not really fair either.

Why don't you start an Dirty Demon feature. Sites with fresh content or that are particularly nice looking, get an "Dirty Demon" graphic beside their listing. Webmasters will love this, and the surfers will begin to figure out that the Dirty Demon listings have better content. They'll go for those and pass over many of the regular listings. Hunk Hunter has the various kinds of boners besides his listing and I sure didn't bother with the limp dick ones.

However, I think instead of penalizing the bad sites, encouraging them to become better and getting a Dirty Demon graphic is a better way to go.

Michael

[gaydemon]

Thats a really good idea! Have to think about how to do that.

The problem I have is that its mainly the same content from a small amount of paysites, currently the worst ones are some ebony sites. Several sites a day who wants to be listed but they all use the same content.


This is a tough one. I had a few exchanges with another link list over this issue. He decided that some content that I purchased was "over-used" even though it was less than six months old in the content store. On the same day he refused my site, within about two clicks I found a site on his link list with four-year old pictures, photos that I first put up on my site in 2004, so go figure.

By the same token, I run a link list and I know what it's like to open the third link with the same set of Broke Straight Boys content on it.

It's also upsetting to a webmaster when they go to the trouble of putting your recip on their site and submitting it to you, just to have you turn them down. In most cases the webmaster will leave your link on their site and just move on. So you get the link and they get nothing. That's not really fair either.

Why don't you start an Dirty Demon feature. Sites with fresh content or that are particularly nice looking, get an "Dirty Demon" graphic beside their listing. Webmasters will love this, and the surfers will begin to figure out that the Dirty Demon listings have better content. They'll go for those and pass over many of the regular listings. Hunk Hunter has the various kinds of boners besides his listing and I sure didn't bother with the limp dick ones.

However, I think instead of penalizing the bad sites, encouraging them to become better and getting a Dirty Demon graphic is a better way to go.

Michael

[Chubbs]

Hard call to make for sure. I also like the idea of labeling the links to the really fresh/new content. But as far as listing the stuff that gets submitted over and over, I think you should draw a line at some point. As a surfer, I would appreciate you not listing the same stuff over and over as long as there is enough different stuff for me to enjoy.

--Chubbs

[dzinerbear]

Maybe if it's the same couple of webmasters, you could just email them and tell them you don't want any more Ebony ABC Sponsor or just two a week. In all likelihood it's the program themselves that's spamming you.

Michael

[abostonboy]

Maybe if it's the same couple of webmasters, you could just email them and tell them you don't want any more Ebony ABC Sponsor or just two a week. In all likelihood it's the program themselves that's spamming you.

Michael

That usually does no good at all. Trust me. Been there, done that. That's why Bjorn has bostonboyz now!

[abostonboy]

On another note, most of these sites are not even created by humans, but scripts. I once got a bear site that had tranny pics and the next site was a tranny site with bear pics. Obviously this submitter had a mysql error.

[basschick]

i used to get galleries like that submitted to my tgps. i suspected human error since the same submitters kept doing the wrong categories over and over...

[abostonboy]

i used to get galleries like that submitted to my tgps. i suspected human error since the same submitters kept doing the wrong categories over and over...

Ahhh. When I had my link list I use to change the submit form every month or so just to see who was using an auto submitter. Those that used an auto submitter always ended up in the wrong category.

[RottenRay]

The question is, at what point should you stop listing sites using more of the same?

Right after you list the last one of MY sites... lol


Seriously, it is a problem. When I surf, I manage to recognize LOTS of sets of duplicate images at different URLs.

I like the "Dirty Demon" idea of noting fresh content - but how will you maintain it?



It's also upsetting to a webmaster when they go to the trouble of putting your recip on their site and submitting it to you, just to have you turn them down. In most cases the webmaster will leave your link on their site and just move on. So you get the link and they get nothing. That's not really fair either.

dzinerbear -
Speaking as a free-siter, I ask about all listing refusals, and fix what's wrong.

You can count on your, well, you can count on a body part you don't have any of... Ovaries, yeah, you can count on your ovaries how many times you've had to email me about something rejected.

And if I couldn't be bothered to remove your link, hey - consider it a surcharge for having wasted your time submitting something unlistable.


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I found a site on his link list with four-year old pictures, photos that I first put up on my site in 2004, so go figure

Don't be mad, but he probably got a much better price on that content than you did - those were probably HIS galleries, and he simply didn't want competing images available. I could make a few guesses as to whom you had this conversation with, but won't.


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Speaking freely, with as many usernames and passwords and permission slips as I have, I don't ever have a reason to post the exact same images more than once - and it's not that hard to keep track of what goes where.

So, you directory folks, PLEASE get a bit tighter about overused and overexposed content.
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Here is what Dennis C. at Hunkhunter's did about the problem...

Over the last few months, a few webmasters have been submitting repeatedly the same tired content and in many cases the exact same websites under different addresses. We of course have rejected these submissions only to see the same content and/or websites resubmitted. Such submissions simply are wasting our time. If any webmaster submits three sites that are rejected by us for overused content in a week, we will ban that domain from our link list. Further, all sites under that particular domain will be deleted from our directory without notice and without appeal.

Banned for violating this policy: freshgayteens.net (8/14/07); gay-twinks.net (8/14/07); ebonycock.net (8/14/07); queergroupsex.com (8/15/07); dirtyboysparty.com (8/15/07); gaypartyonline.com (8/15/07); menplace.net (8/15/07); mostwantedgay.com (8/15/07); man-pics.com (8/16/07); getgaysex.com (8/16/07); hurtpoint.net (8/17/07); gaypleasure.net (8/17/07); euroteensite.com (8/18/07); hunk-men.com (8/18/07); worldgayporn.com (8/20/07); twinkvids.com (8/21/07); cheapmalesite.com (8/22/07); blacksexlust.com (8/24/07); allamateurgaymen.com (8/25/07); gaymen69.com (8/27/07); gayassincream.com (8/28/07); supersextop.com (8/30/07); newsextop.com (9/1/07); listallporn.com (9/1/07); hugemeatytool.com (9/5/07); freetwinkspictures.com (9/11/07); readyforsex.com (9/14/07); 01porn.com (9/18/07); freegaysex.com/free (9/24/07); xxx-men.net (10/2/07); blackwhitegays.com (10/10/07), gaymenlust.com (10/15/07); cumfromass.com (10/24/07); thefirstgaysex.com (11/20/07)

[xstr8guy]

The "Dirty Demon" concept is brilliant! I can see overexposed affiliate content being a real problem. But also consider giving some slack to older licensed content. Yeah, we webmasters are VERY tired of those old Ounique sets. But newer surfers may have never seen much of that content. Sometimes that old content is sooo old, it's new again. :D

[abostonboy]

The "Dirty Demon" concept is brilliant! I can see overexposed affiliate content being a real problem. But also consider giving some slack to older licensed content. Yeah, we webmasters are VERY tired of those old Ounique sets. But newer surfers may have never seen much of that content. Sometimes that old content is sooo old, it's new again. :D

It REALLY is. Sometimes it's refreshing to a surfer not to see a watermark on every picture.

I wouldn't worry too much about a dirty demon logo. Just give submitters that create quality free sites with fresh content top spots in the directory.

[gaydemon]

I tried so many times, they never respond. I have no idea even if they get my emails. :no:

Even when I delete their sites, sending them a email saying its NOT been listed I still have on response.. they just continue to submit anyway. Its like a bloody robot.. probably is actuallyl.


Maybe if it's the same couple of webmasters, you could just email them and tell them you don't want any more Ebony ABC Sponsor or just two a week. In all likelihood it's the program themselves that's spamming you.

Michael

[gaydemon]

I think what Dennis done is great.

BUT one major problem. If you start being really rough with who you list and dont list you will end up with a VERY short list of sites that actually get listed.

You then have a worse situation, you got only about 3 webmasters submitting their sites which all look the same - maybe different content but still all looking the same.

People also notice that, I've had several complaints already about sites that look too similiar and are too obvious in who owns them. It seems surfers prefer to have a lot to choose between even if they are worse quality..

Plus also take into account, the less submitters you accept the more you rely on the single individual submitter.

I just wish more people could create Sites like you do Ray and Micheal. But those days are gone..

There is one thing I think most adult webmasters over look, which is that Surfers like to surf free sites. They like to not really know what they will see, it might only be 20 pictures, 30.. 3 videos.. whatever but there is a special feeling you get when you surf in that way through link lists. Its something I dont think you can easily replace with something else and will continue to be popular way of finding porn. Atleast until its replace by another similiar experiance - possibly Tube sites!?




Here is what Dennis C. at Hunkhunter's did about the problem...

Over the last few months, a few webmasters have been submitting repeatedly the same tired content and in many cases the exact same websites under different addresses. We of course have rejected these submissions only to see the same content and/or websites resubmitted. Such submissions simply are wasting our time. If any webmaster submits three sites that are rejected by us for overused content in a week, we will ban that domain from our link list. Further, all sites under that particular domain will be deleted from our directory without notice and without appeal.

[Gaystoryman]

I will qualify this response in that I am not a porn surfer. I simply don't, never have really, because well, I am weird. However, that being said the wife is an avid surfer of TGPs and LL.

He can sit for hours going through lists, to find hot guys for him to uh, get excited over? Can't blame him either, I mean he is married to me, so yeah he'd want some hot eye candy but he has one complaint that I think Michael addressed.

The same old content keeps popping up, and maybe he isn't a sophisticated surfer like some, but when he sees the 'new' he goes looking, only to be disappointed in that its the same guy. So for him, a 'symbol' that denotes fresh content, not over used, would indeed make him grin, and of course the by product is it would make me grin.

Mind you, ever since he's been enjoying Blake Mason, he isn't surfing as much for 'other' porn. In fact, his whole routine has changed since. His home page isn't a LL or TGP site, but Blake Mason.

[RottenRay]

Gaydemon -


I think what Dennis done is great.

BUT one major problem. If you start being really rough with who you list and dont list you will end up with a VERY short list of sites that actually get listed.

I just wish more people could create Sites like you do Ray and Micheal. But those days are gone..

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Atleast until its replace by another similiar experiance - possibly Tube sites!?

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There are 2 kinds of "rough" from a free-siter's point of view:

A) The unreasonable and arbitrary rules like those once in effect at the [thankfully] bought and shelved www.linkmeallover.ca - I don't miss the so-called "wicked witch of the North" one bit.

...or...

B) Getting tough by not accepting poopy links.


I don't think anyone building freesites that are worth linking to should object to suggestions and comments, or get terribly upset if they build a site that doesn't meet a list's criteria. And, if you email a webmaster and don't get a response, it should be a no-brainer: Don't list, and consider killing everything from the same domain name.

Fact: I've carefully chosen the directories I use. I've found that traffic from "junk" lists simply wastes bandwidth, because surfers who are treated poorly up front are much less likely to "lean left and get out the wallet" than folks who come in from a directory that has high standards.

Fact: I also have to link back to them, which reflects on ME. I've gotten nasty email from surfers complaining about certain directories in the past, and I've stopped using those directories because I don't like nasty email.


Directory folks, I feel your pain about templated sites. I build about 120 per month, and I couldn't do it without following a good working template.

I also try to refresh the design a few times a year so that you don't have literally thousands of the same thing.

(My sales also perk a little with each new iteration - an interesting thing...)


But, the bottom line in this is that we're all in it together.

I don't think Michael or myself (or anyone working as hard as we do to put out a quality product) would be the least bit offended to get an email that says "hey, like your content and thanks for recipping all those sites, can ya pull something new out 'cause your getting stale?"

So, at the end, I vote for "getting tough." Just keep me informed of what your requirements are so I can meet them!


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[RottenRay]

Gaystoryman -


I will qualify this response in that I am not a porn surfer. I simply don't, never have really, because well, I am weird. However, that being said the wife is an avid surfer of TGPs and LL.

He can sit for hours going through lists, to find hot guys for him to uh, get excited over? Can't blame him either, I mean he is married to me, so yeah he'd want some hot eye candy but he has one complaint that I think Michael addressed.

If he's that patient, get him access to newsgroups. Lots of piracy - folks "share" a lot of vids and photos from paysites, usually without the scaling or resizing that free site webmasters employ.


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