Do straight people understand gay niches?

[tombarr]

Or do they just call everyone gays and throw content and traffic together and hope something sticks?

I've seen so many straight programs with "gay" sections (called niches of course) and even some that the only thing close to being gay that they have is shemale, and that ain't gay!

[roupen]

I do see a lot of straight programs with gay sites just throw up whatever they can put together. My guess is these guys are making pretty good money with straight content and are just throwing up these gay sites to see if it does anything good for them...

[dzinerbear]

I think a lot of straight programs really thing that the only requirement for a gay man is a cock. Just wave a cock in front of my face and apparently I fall to my knees. And let's not even get into the whole what is a twink / what is a bear discussion.

Michael

[MaxPower]

True Gay run programs will always have a advantage here, its impossible to fake a good gay niche site, never comes off right. Nothing U can 100% put your finger on but you can just tell
"Its Just Not Hot"

Also their is a unwritten rule about dealing with too many Str8 companies :)

[abostonboy]

MOST straight companies need to realize that "gay" is not a niche.

[Gaystoryman]

I think a lot of straight programs really thing that the only requirement for a gay man is a cock. Just wave a cock in front of my face and apparently I fall to my knees. And let's not even get into the whole what is a twink / what is a bear discussion.

Michael

Amen, not to mention that many simply have no clue. :bang:

[basschick]

not all straight folks are alike, but some str8 webmasters are so clueless it's funny. on the other hand, some str8 webmasters don't seem to understand str8 niches, either - gotta love those 30 year old grannies *LOL*

[Chubbs]

I'm straight and I think I have a great understanding of the gay market. I do a good job filtering my traffic. I understand all gay niches from studs to chubs, twinks to bears and everything in between. As well as the real micro niches like sleepingmen and armpits. And I know a great site when I see one. I have 35 gay sites and zero straight sites and make a decent living.

Later this year when I launch my affiliate program, I am going with some hardcore niche sites. For example, I am going to be doing a site based on older priests having their way with twinks in the confessional. (was gonna call it sexypriest.com but decided to use that domain for a blog) I have no doubt that they will be done "right" and convert very well.

There is definitely something to be said for "knowing your niche". But you don't have to live it to know it imo. A good bit of research and some common sense goes a long way.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that there are not a bunch of straight program owners that are clueless. I was just answering the question posed in the thread title.

--Chubbs

[Relentless]

Do gay webmasters understand str8 niches?

Depends on the webmaster.

The wealthiest ones make a real effort to comprehend both.

[HunkMoneyLuke]

Do gay webmasters understand str8 niches?

Depends on the webmaster.

The wealthiest ones make a real effort to comprehend both.

good point!

[MrJD]

i'm learning.... some of it confuses me a tad... like what chubbs said about armpits for example...:surprised:

[basschick]

ya know, there are straight armpit fetishists, as well.


i'm learning.... some of it confuses me a tad... like what chubbs said about armpits for example...:surprised:

[MrJD]

ya know, there are straight armpit fetishists, as well.

interesting... :whip: humans are some strange creatures...

[Chubbs]

This is the newest straight fetish to "wow" me.

www.asssmoothie.com

--Chubbs

[MaxPower]

Just like the "other board' these str8 guys are coming out of the woodwork trying to make 'easy gay money' now that times are bad and many find they can not longer keep up on the str8 side. But U guys IMO should stay on your own end as things are shrinking on both sides, and the str8 guys will be the First that get cut on this end.

Gay companies will deal with str8 ones, but prefer to work with their own. Being a str8 companies makes you weaker in this world and all the money U try to throw around will only make us “gays” fearful. I am just saying as times get worse do you really think the Gay people that Run the gay industry are going to support str8 guys over their own? All I can say is that I would not do that, and secretly 95% of true gay companies feel about the same way.

[HunkMoneyLuke]

I think you mean http://asssmoothie.com - thats one of Easton's sites, he has this amazing ability to think of the rudest names and niches!

[Chubbs]

I think you mean http://asssmoothie.com - thats one of Easton's sites, he has this amazing ability to think of the rudest names and niches!
You're right, I edited my post.

But yes, it's off the hook. LOL @ the # of review sites already to have reviewed it. Seems like everyone wanted to take a peek. :)

--Chubbs

[Chubbs]

Just like the "other board' these str8 guys are coming out of the woodwork trying to make 'easy gay money' now that times are bad and many find they can not longer keep up on the str8 side. But U guys IMO should stay on your own end as things are shrinking on both sides, and the str8 guys will be the First that get cut on this end.

Gay companies will deal with str8 ones, but prefer to work with their own. Being a str8 companies makes you weaker in this world and all the money U try to throw around will only make us “gays” fearful. I am just saying as times get worse do you really think the Gay people that Run the gay industry are going to support str8 guys over their own? All I can say is that I would not do that, and secretly 95% of true gay companies feel about the same way.

I have never ran a straight site. Been running gay sites since day 1. And tbh, this is the 1st time I have ever posted that I am straight. (don't get me wrong, I have NEVER claimed to be gay) Have had a little "fear" of gay webmasters not wanting to do biz. with me cause I am straight. But hopefully I have shown everyone that I am here for all the right reasons. :)

--Chubbs

[dzinerbear]

I think that the only think the straight programs need to understand once and for all is this: gay is not a niche, it's a whole market unto itself; and, for every niche in the straight market, there's an equivalent gay niche.

For instance, some straight men like nylons sites, some gay men like to look at guys wearing socks. Some straight men like big tits, some gay men like big pecs. Some men like hairy bushes, others like shaved bushes. Both straight and gay men have attractions to blondes, redheads, brunettes ... there's no difference really. It's all pretty much comparable.

A lot of the straight market is hung up on the fact that it's a "cock." But really it's not so much the cock that we're attracted to as the whole package – the cock is just one element.

Michael

[MaxPower]

Was not a attack on U bro, as I know you have been around. But as a 100% out gay man, I have a tendency to look out for and support gay companies more this is about the ONLY true Gay industry after all. Gay companies do have a obligation really to work with their own, now not saying anyone would NOT work with str8 guys. Just as times get harder, who at the end of the day do you think the ‘gays’ will back?

This industry is really going to shrink in the next 5 years, and the fags have control of the traffic, and content production on this end. Really I think this ‘easy money’ many think they will find, will never happen and one day U will find much of your traffic going to even poorer converting sites just cuzz people are “looking out for their own”

I feel many str8 people think us Fags are stupid, or easily going to be pushed around but this is Our world here. And many are Very hetrophobic, ya we like to see U str8 guys sucking a dick but not running the programs :)

[Chubbs]

Was not a attack on U bro, as I know you have been around. But as a 100% out gay man, I have a tendency to look out of and support gay companies more this is about the ONLY true Gay industry after all. Gay companies do have a obligation really to work with their own, now not saying anyone would NOT work with str8 guys. Just as times get harder, who at the end of the day do you think the ‘gays’ will back?

This industry is really going to shrink in the next 5 years, and the fags have control of the traffic, and content production on this end. Really I think this ‘easy money’ many think they will find, will never happen and one day U will find much of your traffic going to even poorer converting sites just cuzz people are “looking out for their own”

I feel many str8 people think us Fags are stupid, or easily going to be pushed around but this is Our world here. And many are Very hetrophobic, ya we like to see U str8 guys sucking a dick but not running the programs :)

Well like I said, hopefully I have "proven" myself over the last 4 years to be an honest webmaster who cares about the people I work with on more than just a biz level. I can honestly say that I think of a lot of people I work with as friends, not just biz. partners and I believe the feeling is mutual.

--Chubbs

[MaxPower]

Ya I know Bro, and not about U but seems many str8 guys today are not keeping up and feel like can just move in here and push us around cuzz they are smarter than some Fags. Just saying this is not how the gay world works, and many str8’s would do much better as time goes on by just sticking to their own pussy productions.

What gay persons wants their porn coming from some breeder with 3 kids and a wife? Its just not koo, or ever going to be the norm around here. Str8 guys really do have many many disadvantages on this end that I feel many do not understand and content productions and selection are just the tips of this iceberg.

[tombarr]

Well like I said, hopefully I have "proven" myself over the last 4 years to be an honest webmaster who cares about the people I work with on more than just a biz level. I can honestly say that I think of a lot of people I work with as friends, not just biz. partners and I believe the feeling is mutual.

--Chubbs

I gotta give you props, chubbs, because all this time I had no idea you were a straight man...which means you did everything right...you made it about the products, you took time to understand the market and how to sell to it, you use correct terminology, and you interact neutrally within the forums of the gay webmaster market.

However, most straight programs don't do anywhere close to the amount of research that you did on the gay market place. They choose instead to just use whatever "homo" words they can think of in their sites, they look at the gay market as simply a "niche", they do silly things like calling "tranny's" a gay site, put whatever "gays" pictures they can buy from a content provider on a tour without regard to what the market they are trying to sell to finds attractive because of their failure to understand it, buy domains that they think make their site sound gay, and use incorrect wording in their tours to try to sell the tour.

Most gay companies usually stay within the gay market because it's what they understand. They don't really understand the straight market, have little interest in it, and don't really approach it as a "must have" product in their portfolio, simply because it represents a bit more traffic and dollars. Some of this of course is that most gay companies don't have the large corporate presence of the straight companies, but I also like to think it's because most gay companies have no compelling desire to run out and grab the straight cash too, simply because they feel it's low hanging fruit.

That's not to say that some gay companies don't expand into the gay market...some do, and I hope that they too, take the time to understand the straight market before simply popping up a site showing girls with big tits with verbage such as "I'd hit that" on the tour.

[Chubbs]

I gotta give you props, chubbs, because all this time I had no idea you were a straight man...which means you did everything right...you made it about the products, you took time to understand the market and how to sell to it, you use correct terminology, and you interact neutrally within the forums of the gay webmaster market.

However, most straight programs don't do anywhere close to the amount of research that you did on the gay market place. They choose instead to just use whatever "homo" words they can think of in their sites, they look at the gay market as simply a "niche", they do silly things like calling "tranny's" a gay site, put whatever "gays" pictures they can buy from a content provider on a tour without regard to what the market they are trying to sell to finds attractive because of their failure to understand it, buy domains that they think make their site sound gay, and use incorrect wording in their tours to try to sell the tour.

Most gay companies usually stay within the gay market because it's what they understand. They don't really understand the straight market, have little interest in it, and don't really approach it as a "must have" product in their portfolio, simply because it represents a bit more traffic and dollars. Some of this of course is that most gay companies don't have the large corporate presence of the straight companies, but I also like to think it's because most gay companies have no compelling desire to run out and grab the straight cash too, simply because they feel it's low hanging fruit.

That's not to say that some gay companies don't expand into the gay market...some do, and I hope that they too, take the time to understand the straight market before simply popping up a site showing girls with big tits with verbage such as "I'd hit that" on the tour.

:) Thanks. When I 1st decided to get in the biz. I thought about doing some straight stuff. But tbh, when I asked question on the straight boards, I got some really fucked up responses so I went to a couple gay boards and asked the same questions. I was asking generic traffic and design questions and the answers I got from some of the webmasters on the gay boards were very helpful. After doing a little research, I realized that the people on the gay side of the industry were just a lot more helpful and really seemed like "real" people. So for me it was a no-brainer. Since I was not looking to get laid, or to get invited to parties, I just went with what felt right. And am glad I did.

Like I said, people like Lloyd and Procam to name names have become more of a friend than just a guy I do biz. with. :)

--Chubbs

[Chubbs]

Ya I know Bro, and not about U but seems many str8 guys today are not keeping up and feel like can just move in here and push us around cuzz they are smarter than some Fags. Just saying this is not how the gay world works, and many str8’s would do much better as time goes on by just sticking to their own pussy productions.

What gay persons wants their porn coming from some breeder with 3 kids and a wife? Its just not koo, or ever going to be the norm around here. Str8 guys really do have many many disadvantages on this end that I feel many do not understand and content productions and selection are just the tips of this iceberg.

I agree. I eat/drink/sleep gay porn and take it very seriously. I feel I know it inside and out from one end to the other. BUT I would never try and say I can relate to what gay men go through in life just because I sell gay porn. If thats what you mean.

--Chubbs

[MaxPower]

I am glad you found a good home here Bro, and its koo. Just saying that ‘welcome mat’ that you saw when you first come over to our side has been taken back inside and replaced with a No Soliciting sign. We have to look out for our own, and in this world that is Gay People.

Str8 people have no respect for us, they will lie or pretend by hiring a few ‘gays’ to represent their programs. But at the end of the day, its all just a way to make cash for them and they would undermined everything about the only industry we have to make some quick gay cash.

Most understand that we can not let the wolf in to far, and what would happen if we really did.

[procam]

Whew this was a long read ~
I agree with many points on both sides of the fence here but...... I know in my heart this absolutely does not apply to chubbs at all.
I remember days of him asking questions ok there were a lot of those days of him asking questions about what is could be or might possibly be offensive and he has worked soooo hard to model his sites properly into the gay market probably harder worker than most gay webmasters to be honest most days he puts in as many or more hours than I do.
His sites are resiliant and the traffic is great I think if ever there was a str8 man that truly understands the gay market hes IT!
Enough of tooting his horn !!

I think theres a lot of hetromocity toward str8 webmasters that do try to migrate from the str8 market to the gay market and as a webmaster who is gay and operates a fleet of gay sites I can say honestly I have tried my hand at running several str8 sites and I did NOT get such a warm welcome from the str8 webmasters either ! In fact I even had a few of them use the F word towards me and 1 that told me I should stick to what I know to quote him "Cocksucker sites" was his exact words.

Well in every attempt I worked really hard to make str8 sites good I failed horribly and wound up selling them off at a loss in most cases, a lesson learned yes!!

I dont think anyone should make a general statement that str8 or gay webmasters should do this or that or force them to stick to a niche because of their sexuality BUT.......... If the webmaster clearly has trouble making a good functional site for the niche then yes someone should tell them hey you are way off base CHECK YOURSELF and base everyones work on their own merit not by their personal sexual preferences .

If we begin judging str8 webmasters because of their sexuality and not their work then we are no better than the homophobes that scream faggots die of aids at every gay pride event truly .........whistle

[tombarr]

I am glad you found a good home here Bro, and its koo. Just saying that ‘welcome mat’ that you saw when you first come over to our side has been taken back inside and replaced with a No Soliciting sign. We have to look out for our own, and in this world that is Gay People.

.

Gotta differ with ya here, Max.. Communities that take up their welcome mats become isolated communities and that's just not progressive or productive for society as a whole. I have absolutely no problem with straight webmasters running gay sites, as long as they do it with understanding, without malice or prejudice, and as long as they keep a neutral attitude toward what gay people are and respect our rights to live and love the way we do. I welcome all who take the time to understand us, our community and what makes it work for those of us in it. We expect straight people to keep the welcome mat extended for gay people in society as a whole, and we certainly can't afford to demand they do that, and we not allow them the same courtesy, simply because we have to protect our own. What we need is for those in the straight community to try to understand our community rather than just trying to cash in on it as a means to beef up their bottom line and we don't further the understanding between our communities by pulling up welcome mats.

[Chubbs]

Whew this was a long read ~
I agree with many points on both sides of the fence here but...... I know in my heart this absolutely does not apply to chubbs at all.
I remember days of him asking questions ok there were a lot of those days of him asking questions about what is could be or might possibly be offensive and he has worked soooo hard to model his sites properly into the gay market probably harder worker than most gay webmasters to be honest most days he puts in as many or more hours than I do.
His sites are resiliant and the traffic is great I think if ever there was a str8 man that truly understands the gay market hes IT!
Enough of tooting his horn !!

I think theres a lot of hetromocity toward str8 webmasters that do try to migrate from the str8 market to the gay market and as a webmaster who is gay and operates a fleet of gay sites I can say honestly I have tried my hand at running several str8 sites and I did NOT get such a warm welcome from the str8 webmasters either ! In fact I even had a few of them use the F word towards me and 1 that told me I should stick to what I know to quote him "Cocksucker sites" was his exact words.

Well in every attempt I worked really hard to make str8 sites good I failed horribly and wound up selling them off at a loss in most cases, a lesson learned yes!!

I dont think anyone should make a general statement that str8 or gay webmasters should do this or that or force them to stick to a niche because of their sexuality BUT.......... If the webmaster clearly has trouble making a good functional site for the niche then yes someone should tell them hey you are way off base CHECK YOURSELF and base everyones work on their own merit not by their personal sexual preferences .

If we begin judging str8 webmasters because of their sexuality and not their work then we are no better than the homophobes that scream faggots die of aids at every gay pride event truly .........whistle

I too remember those days well. Back when cupofcum was a text site and you listed the actual nutritional value of 1 cup of cum. lololol, still makes me laugh.

--Chubbs

[MaxPower]

I dont know man, things are going to get tighter than I think many understand that this moment. Things are changing and their may be little room for many active gay and str8 programs in our industry in the coming years.

Its just IMO, that when push comes to shove, who would you think the Gay Industry Leaders will back? I can only Hope I am right here LOL, but don’t worry I have got to know people very well in this industry over the years. Gay people created this industry, ran it, control it, and at the end of the day these Same Gay People are not going to turn around and start primarily working with str8 companies Even at the detriment of their bottom line. Just not going to happen IMO.

Now I am koo with Str8 guys (If they give good head that’s a + too) but shit man, they are going to be running over here like ants now. We need to have a can a Raid ready before they can over run us, is a feeling I have right about now.

[Gaystoryman]

I have to say that Chubbs is an exception, that we know about. And that perhaps is the key. I don't know about this 'we push gay sites only' or that 'we' have pulled the welcome mat back stuff.

There are many straight webmasters who are upfront, honest, hard working, and not homophobic, and there are many who are the opposite. As to this 'we' that many proclaim to speak for, I disagree whole heartily.

I doubt if many 'gay webmasters' even know who owns the big boys, or if the gay person representing that company is the owner, or just the figurehead. Unless each 'Gay Company' produces its incorporation documents for all to view, I doubt if anyone truly knows, nor does it really matter. People are pushing sites that sell, if the figures justify the effort, they push it. If it happens to be run by a Gay or Straight is not high on the list of criteria. I really don't see a lot of webmasters doing a company search on the name of the cheques that come in.

I really don't see too many refusing to push a site that sells, simply because the owner isn't Gay.

IF it is a new site, sure we'll look at who is operating it, what track record they have and while it might be a first time venture in the Gay Market, doesn't mean we discount them. Least smart business people wouldn't. They would check to see if they have a good track record, if they research their niche before launch, and then make a decision.

In truth, I'd say we might push a site or not, more on the site's representative persona than if they are straight or gay. I don't think 'our' side has any special qualities, that don't exist outside of the Gay World. I do think we might be more helpful, simply because like any minority, we are afraid of the outside world, just as they are of us. I think we do offer help more, because our society is not as open or readily accepted. There simply isn't the numbers as there is in the Straight Market.

One thing I have learned over the decade plus, of working online, a persons sexuality doesn't automatically make them good or bad. I do think, that generally speaking, many straight webmasters do not have a clue about our side, but that isn't unique. How many of us know how to fix a plugged drain or rewire a house? Unless we have a step by step instruction manual, or took a proper course, we won't know, and so why would a straight webmaster know?

They don't know it, because they simply aren't aware of us, or are limited to what they know by how 'we' are presented in the public eye.

[xstr8guy]

I'm straight and I think I have a great understanding of the gay market. I do a good job filtering my traffic. I understand all gay niches from studs to chubs, twinks to bears and everything in between. As well as the real micro niches like sleepingmen and armpits. And I know a great site when I see one. I have 35 gay sites and zero straight sites and make a decent living.

Later this year when I launch my affiliate program, I am going with some hardcore niche sites. For example, I am going to be doing a site based on older priests having their way with twinks in the confessional. (was gonna call it sexypriest.com but decided to use that domain for a blog) I have no doubt that they will be done "right" and convert very well.

There is definitely something to be said for "knowing your niche". But you don't have to live it to know it imo. A good bit of research and some common sense goes a long way.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that there are not a bunch of straight program owners that are clueless. I was just answering the question posed in the thread title.

--Chubbs


Yep! Chubbs knows what he's doing!

[xstr8guy]

This industry is really going to shrink in the next 5 years, and the fags have control of the traffic, and content production on this end. Really I think this ‘easy money’ many think they will find, will never happen and one day U will find much of your traffic going to even poorer converting sites just cuzz people are “looking out for their own”

If you believe that, then Chubbs must not be an affiliate of your program. ;)

[gaydemon]

I think thats rationalizing a bit too much. :whip: There are bad and good "fags" as you put it and the same goes for straight.

I do hope it will never be "them" and "us", both in business and in every day life. I rather fit in to a normal society where im not defined by sexuality. The same goes with business. Straight or gay, what matters is their ethics, how they do business and if they understand the market or not.

Chubbs is a clearly someone who does understand a niche market and made a smart descision in doing the gay niche.


I am glad you found a good home here Bro, and its koo. Just saying that ‘welcome mat’ that you saw when you first come over to our side has been taken back inside and replaced with a No Soliciting sign. We have to look out for our own, and in this world that is Gay People.

Str8 people have no respect for us, they will lie or pretend by hiring a few ‘gays’ to represent their programs. But at the end of the day, its all just a way to make cash for them and they would undermined everything about the only industry we have to make some quick gay cash.

Most understand that we can not let the wolf in to far, and what would happen if we really did.

[gaydemon]

I totally agree with you there though Tom.

Seen it lots of times, the bigger the program the worse "sections".

There are some pretty bad examples where they even used very straight terms and trying to fit them to gay..

Unfortunatley some companies just dont seem to understand the niches very well. Then again, I have no idea what Gonzo really means.. which i belive is a straight thing. I could be wrong lol



Or do they just call everyone gays and throw content and traffic together and hope something sticks?

I've seen so many straight programs with "gay" sections (called niches of course) and even some that the only thing close to being gay that they have is shemale, and that ain't gay!

[basschick]

i've reviewed plenty of gay-owned gay sites where the owners didn't know what a twink or a bear are - those two are usually the two that are the most misused. a lot of gay men and straight people think a twink is anyone under 24 or anyone smooth and slender. anyone with some hair on them is a bear.

years ago, python/dollarmachine had some gay sites that had mixed up the niches. when i talked to them about this, it turned out that ALL their designers at the time were gay. believe me or don't, but plenty of gay men don't know gay porn niches except the ones that they themselves are into.

and again, i've seen plenty of str8 owned programs where the owners didn't know the straight niches any better than the gay ones. 30 year old "teens" happen in str8 AND gay. pornstars labelled amateurs, too.

and i've never yet seen an actual lesbian in lesbian porn...

[tmt-Walter]

I think it goes both ways.
Straights not understanding gay side of the business and gays doing the same.
I created 5 tours for ars 1 is straight and It hardly makes any sales.
the other ones do really well. specially the tranny and mature guys,

[basschick]

max, this is an official warning - stop using inflammatory tactics and hate language - the only person here calling anyone a fag is you, doing it as if someone else were saying it.

let's not start another gfy here, please.

and from me personally - - there are str8 assholes and gay assholes, and i've dealt with both.

unless you are counting the bs talk at gfy, where everyone insults everyone in every possible way without meaning it at all, no str8 programs or reps have ever come to any gay board or event and said they thought they were smarter or called anyone fags, either.


Ya I know Bro, and not about U but seems many str8 guys today are not keeping up and feel like can just move in here and push us around cuzz they are smarter than some Fags. Just saying this is not how the gay world works, and many str8’s would do much better as time goes on by just sticking to their own pussy productions.

[Relentless]

http://asssmoothie.com is a BRILLIANT site. Not only because of the content but because of the way the content is handled. Some girls say yes, some say no and the viewer never knows until they watch the scene how it will turn out. They even have votes on their message board asking members to predict if a girl will say yes or not in an upcoming scene.
http://www.thetongue.net/reviews/Ass_Smoothie/

The site converts and retains exceptionally well. I only wish I'd have thought of it. whistle

[tombarr]

http://asssmoothie.com is a BRILLIANT site. Not only because of the content but because of the way the content is handled. Some girls say yes, some say no and the viewer never knows until they watch the scene how it will turn out. They even have votes on their message board asking members to predict if a girl will say yes or not in an upcoming scene.
http://www.thetongue.net/reviews/Ass_Smoothie/

The site converts and retains exceptionally well. I only wish I'd have thought of it. whistle

Gotta admit that it's definately a unique new twist .... great idea. Gives it a unique selling point that makes it stand out and gives it a personality that will provide word of mouth advertising....don't know whether it was thought out as a marketing effort or just a cool idea that took on a life of it's own...either way..it's a great end result and i bet it does well.

[RottenRay]

This is the newest straight fetish to "wow" me.

www.asssmoothie.com

... and ...


http://asssmoothie.com is a BRILLIANT site. Not only because of the content but because of the way the content is handled. Some girls say yes, some say no and


IT IS FAR FROM A "BRILLIANT" SITE TO SOMEONE WHO JUST GOT BACK FROM JAMBA JUICE!

Seriously, it is a clever little "departure" from the norm.



Why I really posted a reply...


Now I am koo with Str8 guys (If they give good head that’s a + too) but shit man, they are going to be running over here like ants now. We need to have a can a Raid ready before they can over run us, is a feeling I have right about now.


Max, I'm having a hard time with this. When you look at some of the gay industry benchmarks (Badpuppy comes to mind) you find a nice mix of gay and straight people working very hard to deliver a quality product.

And I'm sure that at any large-enough-to-have-a-staff straight publication you'll find a notable quantity of gay folks.

So why would we not welcome them? If anyone can bring a new perspective that increases $$, they're more than welcome in my opine.

Even if they have three heads - who cares about their preference in bed?

...

[basschick]

thanks for putting some perspective out there. heck, some of my best friends are str8 ;)


When you look at some of the gay industry benchmarks (Badpuppy comes to mind) you find a nice mix of gay and straight people working very hard to deliver a quality product.

And I'm sure that at any large-enough-to-have-a-staff straight publication you'll find a notable quantity of gay folks.

So why would we not welcome them? If anyone can bring a new perspective that increases $$, they're more than welcome in my opine.

Even if they have three heads - who cares about their preference in bed?

...

[Relentless]

Just for the record... Gonzo is neither a gay nor straight niche term. Gonzo simply means porn without any story or plot.

Back in the 80s and early 90s they always had some lame story-line about the pizza delivery guy or the married couple fighting and kissing to make up or whatever else. When they started just shooing 6-8 sex scenes and putting them on a disc with no story or plot they called it "gonzo." Knowing that does not make you an expert on gay or straight... it just means you are old enough to remember 80s porn :(

Also.. from my own experience I've found the gay male buyer and the straight female buyer may not like a lot of the same things.... but they both have the same turn-offs in many regards. It seems the "angry" sex and derogatory view of women is mostly a straight male turn-on... as another example, women and the gay community both find "barebacking" to be a big turn-off because of the social implications...

So when I see someone claiming "gay" is this way and "straight" is that way I know right away that they are someone who never tried to sell both. The key to selling both, at least for me, is finding similarities among the two and often that comes down to a well defined list of turn-OFFs as opposed to turn-ONs. Give some thought to what you Don't want to show more than what you Do want to show and you should do fairly well. ;)

[abostonboy]

I know I am late to chime in. I think some straight companies do understand gay niches. I think others really want to learn. Others confuse me at times.

Here are two examples of sites that I really feel the program owners (gay or straight) have no idea about the niche...

1. Straight But Plays
http://www.straightbutplays.com/index.html

Hugh? That looks like a teen girl site. Since when was pink a "straight" color? And how many straight guys wear a bow tie?

2. Boys First Time
http://boysfirsttime.com/main.htm?id=

I use to do very well with that site. Click on the link that says RK Guys. WTF!

In these two cases I would say that they have no idea about the gay niches they are in. They may sell well, but.......

[basschick]

Straight But Plays - omg *LOL* that fucking bow is TOO much rofl

[Chubbs]

Just for the record... Gonzo is neither a gay nor straight niche term. Gonzo simply means porn without any story or plot.

Back in the 80s and early 90s they always had some lame story-line about the pizza delivery guy or the married couple fighting and kissing to make up or whatever else. When they started just shooing 6-8 sex scenes and putting them on a disc with no story or plot they called it "gonzo." Knowing that does not make you an expert on gay or straight... it just means you are old enough to remember 80s porn :(

Also.. from my own experience I've found the gay male buyer and the straight female buyer may not like a lot of the same things.... but they both have the same turn-offs in many regards. It seems the "angry" sex and derogatory view of women is mostly a straight male turn-on... as another example, women and the gay community both find "barebacking" to be a big turn-off because of the social implications...

So when I see someone claiming "gay" is this way and "straight" is that way I know right away that they are someone who never tried to sell both. The key to selling both, at least for me, is finding similarities among the two and often that comes down to a well defined list of turn-OFFs as opposed to turn-ONs. Give some thought to what you Don't want to show more than what you Do want to show and you should do fairly well. ;)

I thought gonzo referred to a scene/movie where the camera main was also verbally directing while shooting and sometimes involved in the sex?

--Chubbs

[basschick]

i first saw the term gonzo used by hunter s. thompson to describe his style of journalism, which was first-person, intense and very personally involved.

*3 minutes later*
okay, wikipedia says gonzo was said ABOUT hunter s. thompson's writing, so what do i know? but he did refer to his stuff that way - honest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_journalism

dictionary.com defines gonzo as bizarre and over the top

"/gon'zoh/ adj. [from Hunter S. Thompson] 1. With total commitment, total concentration, and a mad sort of panache. (Thompson's original sense.) 2. More loosely: Overwhelming; outrageous; over the top; very large, esp. used of collections of source code, source files, or individual functions. Has some of the connotations of moby (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moby) and hairy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hairy), but without the implication of obscurity or complexity."

[gumdrop]

Of course they understand it...because it's all about making money. That simple.

[RottenRay]

Amusing little topic here...


RE: Boys' 99th Time (still chuckling 'bout that!)

Check out the list of site updates from INSIDE THE MEMBER AREA of BFT:

http://www.realamateursproject.net/bft-update.jpg

Papi, their other gay site, and TrannySurprise (categorize as you will) aren't even listed - these are all straight sites...



RE: www.straightbutplays.com

I am at a loss for words. Most of wegcash's sites leave me this same way.

The bowtie is clearly made from the futon cover salvaged from the old boycontent (aka CircleJerkBoys) studio...

Other than that, it looks like they might be running cheaply with some pre-1995 / pre-2257 content. Some of those guys have died of old age and most of the rest are collecting SSI checks now.

[abostonboy]

Other than that, it looks like they might be running cheaply with some pre-1995 / pre-2257 content. Some of those guys have died of old age and most of the rest are collecting SSI checks now.

Most of the new straight sites are just grabbing old DVDs and making sites.