MANcheck Tutorial - Part 1

[dzinerbear]

Before we begin, once you are ready to submit your site to MANcheck, I’d appreciate it if you’d use my referral link. I’ll earn a buck for every sale you make. You can’t use this link, however, until your gallery is ready to submit. MANcheck doesn’t allow webmasters to sign up without having product. Here’s my link, and thanks: http://www.mancheck.com/webmasters/webmasters.cfm?account=52000

What is MANcheck?

MANcheck is a central hub that collects traffic from all the webmaster-submitted sites, search engines, and other links. Non-member traffic hits the site looking for content and much of it ends up looking at the “Galleries” section, which is where your sites will reside once they’ve been approved. MANcheck sends the traffic out to these “new galleries” and hopefully you sent it back in the form of a sale. If you do, you earn a commission.

Member traffic will enter your gallery using the script that you’ll place on your site. They can also browse through MANcheck’s gallery section and enter galleries that way. And finally, they can enter the MANcheck Plus Video premium member’s section (if they have a Plus membership) at Mancheck.com where they’ll view videos, live chat, and watch other shows.

Background

- I tend to use site and gallery interchangeably. For the purposes of this tutorial, they are the same thing. Some AVS call them galleries, others call them sites.

- MANcheck has two main products: a Regular MANcheck membership is $19.95 and it allows the surfer access for one year; when the surfer buys a Regular membership, they are given a 7-day demo to MANcheckPlusVideo. This is a premium area where members can watch videos, engage in live chat, watch live and prerecorded sex shows, and view online gay porn magazines. If the surfer does not cancel the 7-day demo, they are rebilled $39.95 for the next 30 days. They continue to get rebilled until they cancel. If they cancel the demo, you earn nothing further from this surfer.

- Affiliates earn a commission on the original sale: $11.95 if your site is exclusive, $10.50 if it’s not exclusive. Exclusive means that MANcheck is the only AVS you require to access the gallery. (Way back unthinking webmasters used to put four or five different AVS scripts on the same site, thus giving the surfers a choice and talking themselves out of a commission. If your site offers surfers a MANcheck and UGAS choice why would holders of one membership buy another?) It’s in your best interest to keep your sites exclusive.

- If a surfer continues to MCPV premium product, you’ll earn $18 on the rebilling, if your site is exclusive and $16 if it’s not. You’ll earn $20 if your site is a Plus site, but we’ll get to that later.

- For the purposes of this tutorial I use the initialism AVS, but you can’t use it on your sites. Long story, VISA didn’t like the idea that people thought having a credit card meant you were an adult, and since AVS’s weren’t actually verifying anyone’s ages, VISA introduced a new rule forbidding the use of the term. So you may not say AVS, age verification, adult verification, or anything similar.

- You cannot promote secondary sponsors in your tour areas, but you can promote them in the member’s area. The only outbound links allowed on your tour pages are the link lists.


What you need?

- You need at least 50 photos for a Regular MANcheck site and 100 photos for a MANcheck Plus site. The photos can be content that you have purchased or you may use sponsor content. I would recommend using 60 photos; some link lists require 60 pictures.

- You need a place to put your site, so you’ll need a domain name and hosting account.

What’s the process?

- Pick a theme/keyword research

- Prep your photos.

- Build your site.

- Register your site with MANcheck

- Place your MANcheck script on the site.

- Submit your site to link lists.

Single Sites Versus Hubs

When AVS first started a webmaster would create a site, Big Hairy Men, for example. They would design a front page reflecting the theme. Then they’d add preview and entry pages and create the member’s galleries. They’d upload it all and submit it to the AVS. Then the next day they’d start the process all over again designing a new site from scratch. Every site is a standalone site and looks different from all the others.

You can do standalone sites like this if you wish, but it’s an awful lot of work as you’re designing from scratch every time. I prefer to use a template. Some AVS’s say “no templates” but I’ve never had a problem with any AVS accepting my sites. If you put little work into your template, an AVS may not be too excited about having 500 of your sites with one picture in the center of the page.

So I use the same template and create site after site, and then, I link them all together through my hub’s index pages. A hub will probably have a common theme like hairy men or bareback sex, but doesn’t need to. For me, a hub is simply a network of smaller galleries or sites all linked together. Others may think of a hub as something else, I don’t care, I’m not debating it, that’s what I call a hub.

Some webmasters will place MANcheck, UGAS, and Global Male Pass sites all on the same hub. The easiest way to make more money is to mirror one AVS site with all of the others. So you create a site, then duplicate it and place a different AVS script on it. So some webmasters will do this:

www.mypornsite.com/mancheck/hairy-guys/index.html

www.mypornsite.com/ugas/hairy-guys/index.html

www.mypornsite.com/globalmalepass/hairy-guys/index.html

You can do this, but link lists frown on submitting the exact same site three times even though each requires a different AVS. It adds no value to the link list and surfers complain that everything is the same. When I want to mirror my content with a new AVS service, I create a whole new hub. It’s a lot more work, but I think it’s worth it.

Isn’t AVS Dead?

AVS was one of the first business models on the Net and it’s certainly had its day in the sun. After VISA hit AVS with the new rules, a lot of AVS companies disappeared. This caused everyone to say, “AVS is dead!” and they moved on to TGPs and freesites and paysites.

AVS is still a good way to make money. It may not be as easy to make money as it was in 1999, but nothing is as easy as 1999. And this, I find, is the big problem. In 1999 you could put up one picture on a page and say, “Buy this,” and you could make thousands. Now because webmasters have to work harder and differently to make money, they’ll say, “AVS is dead.”

If you’re lazy, AVS is dead. Move on, go somewhere else, you won’t be satisfied with your AVS results.

I took a different approach to AVS. If you look at http://www.universal-bear.com/big-bear-daddy/index.html you’ll see a vastly different product than most webmasters create. Most webmasters are still throwing up a few pictures and saying, “Buy this,” but I don’t think they get very good results.

One of the things about AVS sites is that once you make them, you leave them alone. So, if they’re sitting out there, you might as well write some text for them, SEO them, and if you do it properly, you can sit back and watch the traffic roll in. If you don’t want to spend an hour or more on one site, but prefer to pump out five quick sites in an hour, you’ll end up with more sites, but not necessarily more traffic or sales.

If you look at my site from the link above, you’ll see I have a preview page where I show the surfer what’s inside and I write about the man. In the next section, I provide the surfer with links to other similar types of men available on my site. At the very bottom, I have my reciprocal links to my link list submissions.

So, it seems like a lot of work, but it goes a long way to improve the WOW! factor of the site. You certainly don’t have to write as much as I do on Universal Bear, but it does haul in the traffic. Still, you should be able to pull some decent results with a couple of paragraphs of well-written content.

Wrapping Up

Okay, so this is a lot of background, but I think it’s important to discuss it. I’ll address the actual “how to” part of the tutorial in another post once we’ve cleared up any questions you may have.

Homework

- Buy yourself a picture set with at least 60 pictures or pick a sponsor of your choice and collect 60 pictures.

- Create thumbnails for each pictures. The thumbnail size is up to you, but consider that monitors are bigger, so thumbnails are also getting bigger. Maybe something like 120 x 180 or 140 x 200.

- Go to http://www.mancheck.com and click the “galleries” link near the top of the page. Spend some time clicking through at least a page of galleries. Click through each gallery and just notice what’s happening.

- Report back here with any questions, or simply say, "Homework's done, I'm ready for the next phase."

Michael

[dzinerbear]

I had a question about my request to use my referral code, someone asked: "You expect them to not make money for themself but produce content and design for you?"

Here's what happens. If you sign up under my referral link, I'll earn a buck for every sale you make. MANcheck pays that buck, it doesn't come from your commission. The buck comes out of MANcheck's pocket.

No one is designing for me, you're designing for yourselves. I'm just helping you along.

If you're uncomfortable using the referral link, please don't use it; if you find at the end of this that you received value from the tutorial, go ahead and use it.

It doesn't matter either way, I'm still doing the tutorial because I believe in the AVS biz model and I believe MANcheck is the best product out there.

Michael

[UglyO'Bear]

- You need at least 50 photos for a Regular MANcheck site and 100 photos for a MANcheck Plus site. The photos can be content that you have purchased or you may use sponsor content. I would recommend using 60 photos; some link lists require 60 pictures.

Is that something that a lot of sponsors would be interested in doing?

[dzinerbear]

Is that something that a lot of sponsors would be interested in doing?

You're probably not going to find a lot of sponsors giving away 60 pics of one photo set, so just go ahead and combine three or four photo sets from the same sponsor. Perhaps you have three blond models from a sponsor, you could create "Well-Hung Blong Jocks."

Hope that clears it up.

Michael

[dirkpeddler]

Some webmasters will place MANcheck, UGAS, and Global Male Pass sites all on the same hub. The easiest way to make more money is to mirror one AVS site with all of the others. So you create a site, then duplicate it and place a different AVS script on it. So some webmasters will do this:

www.mypornsite.com/mancheck/hairy-guys/index.html

www.mypornsite.com/ugas/hairy-guys/index.html

www.mypornsite.com/globalmalepass/hairy-guys/index.html

You can do this, but link lists frown on submitting the exact same site three times even though each requires a different AVS. It adds no value to the link list and surfers complain that everything is the same. When I want to mirror my content with a new AVS service, I create a whole new hub. It’s a lot more work, but I think it’s worth it.



If I use multiple AVSs(which I rarely do) I create an entrance page which gives the surfer to option to either go to the sales/signin page of each individual AVS used. That way the pages submitted to the AVS only show hte appropriate signin/signup page and stay within their terms for exclusive site since the other pages are not shown to the surfer unless they enter the site/gallery from the main page which is used to submit to link lists/directories. Most allow the use of multiple AVSs as long as it is clear from the page you use to submit to the linklist, some will pick the AVS they prefer to list your site/gallery under.

[basschick]

most sponsors give away promotional content. if you use 4 or 5 sets instead of 1 big set, you'll be able to show that there's more variety inside your avs site, and that means more sales.


Is that something that a lot of sponsors would be interested in doing?

[UglyO'Bear]

Thanks Michael and Basschick. So then I would just use that or those galleries to promote that sponsor? That still sounds like a lot to ask of a sponsor.

[Gaystoryman]

Maybe this isn't the right thread for this question, but what about video clips?

Aren't many of the AEN/AVS going that route?

[RDude]

Wow, there's a lot of information here. LOL. Very interesting stuff though. It sounds like a lot of fun. I really like your AVS example Dzinerbear. I've come across it quite a bit actually. Well...a lot of your designs anyway. I just wanted to point out that on your signup page you've got "1,200,00 pictures" - I believe that's a typo. Thought you might like to know.

Well I will be following this very closely. I believe I'll purchase some images for this though. I don't want to use pics that are splashed too much around. I have a line on some decent content that isn't too used. One question though - Can we choose any niche for this?

[UglyO'Bear]

- Go to http://www.mancheck.com and click the “galleries” link near the top of the page. Spend some time clicking through at least a page of galleries. Click through each gallery and just notice what’s happening.

- Report back here with any questions, or simply say, "Homework's done, I'm ready for the next phase."

Michael

Hi Michael, I did checkout the site and was kind of surprised to find several inactive domains and galleries with missing images. That can’t be a big selling point. How strict is MANcheck’s approval policy? Once a gallery is approved is that the last they check on it?

BTW, Your galleries look GREAT!

[basschick]

some sponsors "get it". a lot, actually. avs traffic is very good stuff. personally, though, i tend to use content i own. you can buy pic sets for as little as $5 to $10.


Thanks Michael and Basschick. So then I would just use that or those galleries to promote that sponsor? That still sounds like a lot to ask of a sponsor.

[RDude]

So we can use any niche for this project?

[marcjacob]

Is that something that a lot of sponsors would be interested in doing?

Most are very receptive. I have spoke to many sponsors and told them how I plan to use the content. As long as you actively seek the sponsor sale inside your sites members area you are usually ok.

Don't forget the traffic the avs send you all have a credit card and have used that to buy porn online in the last 12 months. Becasuse of that the avs sent traffic will convert much better than say free or tgp traffic.

[marcjacob]

Create thumbnails for each pictures. The thumbnail size is up to you, but consider that monitors are bigger, so thumbnails are also getting bigger. Maybe something like 120 x 180 or 140 x 200.


Thumbs don't have to be the same size either. I know make each thumb a slightly different size. I personally think it works because of what Dizinebear once told me which is to try to slow the surfers eye down so they stop and look more at the content.

People may disagree in which case ignore me but I personally think it helps.

Here is an example of that. (http://www.hardcoregaygalleries.com/avs/bad-hairy-cock/members/gal4.html)

[dirkpeddler]

Is that something that a lot of sponsors would be interested in doing?

Most sponsors let you use their 'free content' as long as you show their banner with link on the page(s) that show the content, keep in mind that they do NOT allow you to use any other sponsors on the page their content is shown.

[dirkpeddler]

Wow, there's a lot of information here. LOL. Very interesting stuff though. It sounds like a lot of fun. I really like your AVS example Dzinerbear. I've come across it quite a bit actually. Well...a lot of your designs anyway. I just wanted to point out that on your signup page you've got "1,200,00 pictures" - I believe that's a typo. Thought you might like to know.

Well I will be following this very closely. I believe I'll purchase some images for this though. I don't want to use pics that are splashed too much around. I have a line on some decent content that isn't too used. One question though - Can we choose any niche for this?

Yes you can use any niche, keep in mind though that because of VISA regulations, some content will not be allowed. Fetish and kink sites are great but VISA/AVN/AEN terms usually do not allow content like bound guys getting fucked, etc.

[dzinerbear]

So then I would just use that or those galleries to promote that sponsor? That still sounds like a lot to ask of a sponsor.

Well, it's happening in AVS's all over the Net. If you did your homework and visited MANcheck, you'll see that most of the galleries contain sponsor content. Very few webmasters buy content anymore for AVS galleries. So, if you did, your galleries would stand out.

When using sponsor content on an AVS gallery, you should only try and upsell that sponsor. I've seen some webmasters trying to upsell two or three different sponsors, including the one supplying the content, but I don't think that's fare.


Maybe this isn't the right thread for this question, but what about video clips? Aren't many of the AEN/AVS going that route?

You can use video clips, of course. I'm sticking with pictures because I didn't want to get into the whole "my videos aren't playing" scenario, "what do I do?" But yes, video clips will help make your site more attractive. However, if the video clips are long, like 10 minutes plus, I'd create a MANcheck Plus gallery, not a Regular one. Requiring a Plus membership to view longer videos will save you bandwidth. But if we're just talking about the one- or two-minute videos sponsors hand out, of course, use them if you wish.


One question though - Can we choose any niche for this?

Of course. I wouldn't choose bisexuals or trannies, I'm not sure if MANcheck takes sites with women. But use whatever niche you want. Each AVS is unique, so one niche will sell well with UGAS, but not so well with MANcheck, and visa versa. You'll just have to test them out.


Hi Michael, I did checkout the site and was kind of surprised to find several inactive domains and galleries with missing images. That can’t be a big selling point. How strict is MANcheck’s approval policy? Once a gallery is approved is that the last they check on it?

Ah ... you've stumbled across the old switcheroo. This is a con game played by sleezy webmasters and paysites who are just trying to scam MANcheck's traffic. They submit the site, wait for it to be approved and listed, and then, they start switching what's actually showing on the domain or redirecting the traffic. MANcheck does follow up once the sites are approved, so those sites you're seeing will probably be removed shortly. All AVS's have rules about these kinds of things and if you're thinking of trying these kinds of scams, you'll end up suffering various forms of punishment until the AVS sees that you're towing the line. (If you wanted to be nice, you could send sales@mancheck.com a list of the sites you found. AVS's like helpful webmasters and reward loyalty.)


Most sponsors let you use their 'free content' as long as you show their banner with link on the page(s) that show the content, keep in mind that they do NOT allow you to use any other sponsors on the page their content is shown.

This is right on. Webmasters still try and promote other sponsors as well, but you're really just hurting yourself and all webmasters in the end. If you piss off a sponsor badly enough they might end up saying, "No one can use my content in AVS galleries." So play nice ... the purpose of AVS is to (a) sell an AVS membership, and (b) make secondary income by selling other sponsors to existing AVS memberships. Your galleries should be respectful to both the AVS and the sponsor. If your goal is to rip off the AVS traffic, they can see that, they're not stupid; and likewise, if you're burning sponsors and don't care about upselling their product, they'll see it as well. It's in your best interest to play fairly.

Michael

[rawTOP]

What you need?

- You need at least 50 photos for a Regular MANcheck site and 100 photos for a MANcheck Plus site. The photos can be content that you have purchased or you may use sponsor content. I would recommend using 60 photos; some link lists require 60 pictures.

Do the pics need to be all from one sponsor? Let's say I wanted to do a MANcheck site with the theme being Ted Colunga and I've got more than 60 pics - just not 60 all from the same sponsor... Is that a problem?

[dzinerbear]

Do the pics need to be all from one sponsor? Let's say I wanted to do a MANcheck site with the theme being Ted Colunga and I've got more than 60 pics - just not 60 all from the same sponsor... Is that a problem?

It's not going to be a problem for MANcheck, they don't really care whether your content is purchased or sponsor provided. Where you'll run into problems is with your sponsors because they don't want you promoting other sponsors with their content.

If you had, for example, 4 sets of 15 photos from 4 different sponsors all featuring Ted Colunga, you could create four thumbnail pages for your member's area, assign 15 photos to each page, and place each sponsor's banners and links with their respective content. So page one might have Butch Dixon, page two Men at Play, etc.

It's not ideal from a sponsor's point of view because they're giving you content, but you're not providing them with the surfer's full attention. Look at it this way, you put some of sponsor 1's content on your site's tour to entice people to buy a MANcheck membership, if you sell a membership that's great for you, but not good for Sponsor 1. To "repay" the sponsor for helping you make this additional income, it'd be nice if you whole-heartedly promoted them, and only them, inside the member's area to give them the best crack at getting sales.

It boils down to what kind of a webmaster you want to be. Do you want to have good relationships with your sponsors? Or do you want to make money at any and all costs even if your tactics don't benefit the people providing you with the content? I can't tell you how to conduct yourself, and many webmasters have an "I don't give a fuck" attitude. Does it get you very far in the long run? I don't know, but as a webmaster and a sponsor, I remember who treats me well and who doesn't.

Finally, sponsor content isn't yours. You're being given the content to promote the sponsor, not to make money for yourself any old way you feel like. If you mistreat the content, you could have a sponsor demanding you take it all down and cancelling your account.

Sorry, it's a long answer, but it's not a simple yes or no answer.

Michael

[rawTOP]

More questions about pics...

Q1: I don't see sponsor watermarks anywhere. What at the rules on them?

Q2: It seems most previews don't have any explicit content, yet Universal Bear does. The worst I saw was a daddy site that put purple grapes over anything explicit. So what are the rules in that respect?

[dirkpeddler]

More questions about pics...

Q1: I don't see sponsor watermarks anywhere. What at the rules on them?

Q2: It seems most previews don't have any explicit content, yet Universal Bear does. The worst I saw was a daddy site that put purple grapes over anything explicit. So what are the rules in that respect?

Not all sponsors put watermarks on their free content, in that case it is usually up to the webmaster to play fair and square.

Most link lists do not allow hardcore content outside the 'protected' areas. That is why you see so many blurred pictures on 'tour pages' for AVS/AEN sites. I prefer to use softcore images on the tour pages, I think it is more enticing then seeing blurred images. Most AVN/AENs also do not allow hardcore content outside the member area.

[rawTOP]

It boils down to what kind of a webmaster you want to be. Do you want to have good relationships with your sponsors? Or do you want to make money at any and all costs even if your tactics don't benefit the people providing you with the content? I can't tell you how to conduct yourself, and many webmasters have an "I don't give a fuck" attitude. Does it get you very far in the long run? I don't know, but as a webmaster and a sponsor, I remember who treats me well and who doesn't.

Finally, sponsor content isn't yours. You're being given the content to promote the sponsor, not to make money for yourself any old way you feel like. If you mistreat the content, you could have a sponsor demanding you take it all down and cancelling your account.

I'd never use Sponsor A's content to promote Sponsor B. I was assuming a scenario where the sponsor is properly credited. I don't understand MANcheck well enough yet to know how the credit is given, but I'm assuming it's possible. A long time ago I purchased a UGAS membership (lifetime, so still active). Back then the formula seemed to be once you got past the password check you were presented with 4 or 5 galleries. When I asked my question I assumed there would be a gallery for each sponsor set and all of them would total 60+ pics. So set 1 might promote Sponsor A, and set 2 might promote Sponsor B - but each sponsor would get their credit.

Think about the fact that I come from blogging where sponsor content gets mixed together, but it's also credited. What I'm thinking is doing the MANcheck equivalent of my Ted Colunga (http://www.wilywilly.com/porn/ted-colunga) page on Wily Willy... No sponsor (in their right mind) would have a problem with that page. So no sponsor will have a problem with what I want to do with MANcheck. The question is whether there are issues on the MANcheck side that would make it difficult or impossible to do.

In other words - don't bite my head off... I'm not trying to do anything 95+% of sponsors would have a problem with. I'm just trying to learn.

[dirkpeddler]

Do the pics need to be all from one sponsor? Let's say I wanted to do a MANcheck site with the theme being Ted Colunga and I've got more than 60 pics - just not 60 all from the same sponsor... Is that a problem?

Most sponsors have multiple sites in their program, so eventhough you might use free content from one of their sites and they will expect the main banner ad to point to that site, most do not mind if you also add a banner ad for another one of THEIR sites. However they like you to make sure the other banner ad is appropriate for the content being displayed. When in doubt it's best to contact your affiliate manager to check with them.

[dzinerbear]

On more thing about sponsor content. If a sponsor complains to an AVS about how their content is used, the AVS will generally just kill your gallery. They don't want hassles over copyright infrigement, ownership, misappropriate use, they'll just yank the gallery, and then, all your hard work is down the drain.

If a sponsor gives you watermarked content, I think you're obligated to leave it as is. If you cropped out my site's watermarked, you'd be hearing from me. I'm sure other sponsors feel the same.

I've been using watermarked content in my MANcheck galleries without any hassles from MANcheck.

Explicit or not explicit is personal preference. I find explicit sells better, some webmasters think the opposite. Back when AVS first started, I think everyone "starred" out the good bits to frustrate the surfers into buying. Now it just pisses them off. It's a personal sales strategy.

Michael

[dirkpeddler]

I'd never use Sponsor A's content to promote Sponsor B. I was assuming a scenario where the sponsor is properly credited. I don't understand MANcheck well enough yet to know how the credit is given, but I'm assuming it's possible. A long time ago I purchased a UGAS membership (lifetime, so still active). Back then the formula seemed to be once you got past the password check you were presented with 4 or 5 galleries. When I asked my question I assumed there would be a gallery for each sponsor set and all of them would total 60+ pics. So set 1 might promote Sponsor A, and set 2 might promote Sponsor B - but each sponsor would get their credit.

Think about the fact that I come from blogging where sponsor content gets mixed together, but it's also credited. What I'm thinking is doing the MANcheck equivalent of my Ted Colunga (http://www.wilywilly.com/porn/ted-colunga) page on Wily Willy... No sponsor (in their right mind) would have a problem with that page. So no sponsor will have a problem with what I want to do with MANcheck. The question is whether there are issues on the MANcheck side that would make it difficult or impossible to do.

In other words - don't bite my head off... I'm not trying to do anything 95+% of sponsors would have a problem with. I'm just trying to learn.

I usually use 1 sponsor per ManCheck site with the content from that sponsor. ManCheck doesn't have a problem with that. That's what you can use your Hub for:
www . mydomain . com/index.html hub page
www . mydomain . com/butchdixon/ gallery for butchdixon
www . mydomain . com/ randyblue/ gallery for randyblue
etc.

[dzinerbear]

Sorry if you thought I was biting your head off, I'm just trying to provide you with as much info as I can. And I don't assume anything about what you might or might not do. I've seen webmasters trying to pull all kinds of stuff, so I'm just trying to come at this from all angles.

MANcheck's concern is: do you own the content or have the right to use it? AVS's don't police how you use the content inside the member's area; it's up to you to credit the content. But if the AVS gets complaints about your content, they will yank your site. They don't need the hassle.

Michael

[dirkpeddler]

If a sponsor gives you watermarked content, I think you're obligated to leave it as is. If you cropped out my site's watermarked, you'd be hearing from me. I'm sure other sponsors feel the same.

I've been using watermarked content in my MANcheck galleries without any hassles from MANcheck.

Explicit or not explicit is personal preference. I find explicit sells better, some webmasters think the opposite. Back when AVS first started, I think everyone "starred" out the good bits to frustrate the surfers into buying. Now it just pisses them off. It's a personal sales strategy.

Michael

Yeah watermarks are put on the content for a reason, the sponsor wants to make sure their content is being used as provided. They allow you to resize, within reason, but you can NEVER remove the watermark.

I think only UGAS/CyberAge do not allow watermarked content.

Yeah blurred out or covered up hardcore content just pisses the surfer off, using underwear or softcore nudes (full body butt shots) are ok in my opinion.

[dzinerbear]

Most link lists do not allow hardcore content outside the 'protected' areas.

This is absolutely not true.

I don't know what link lists you've been submitting to, but in the past six years I have never once had a link list ask me to remove a hardcore image. And I've got some pretty racy stuff on my tour pages.

Michael

[rawTOP]

If a sponsor gives you watermarked content, I think you're obligated to leave it as is. If you cropped out my site's watermarked, you'd be hearing from me. I'm sure other sponsors feel the same.

I've been using watermarked content in my MANcheck galleries without any hassles from MANcheck.

I often crop watermarks on my blog posts and I've talked to a lot of sponsors about it - especially ones who say "don't modify our images in any way". And even the people who take a hard line on it are OK with me cropping the watermarks because of the small size of the final image presented and the fact that I'm clearly identifying them as the source of the image. You and I have talked about the fact that I put the name of the sponsor site in the title of my blog post and how you thought that might hurt me. But I think doing things like that is why the sponsors like me - even when I crop their watermarks.

So what I'm thinking is I'll use the cropped images to create thumbnails, but the full size image will be the original image from the sponsor, unaltered, with the watermark. Plus I'm assuming a banner ad next to the thumbnails promoting the sponsor's site that the images came from. But I need to understand more to get how all that works.


Explicit or not explicit is personal preference. I find explicit sells better, some webmasters think the opposite. Back when AVS first started, I think everyone "starred" out the good bits to frustrate the surfers into buying. Now it just pisses them off. It's a personal sales strategy.

Great - that answers my question. I do track which images are non-explicit in my database of images, but it would be a pain to have to go back and recrop explicit images to make them non-explicit just so I have images for the preview.

[dirkpeddler]

This is absolutely not true.

I don't know what link lists you've been submitting to, but in the past six years I have never once had a link list ask me to remove a hardcore image. And I've got some pretty racy stuff on my tour pages.

Michael

Maybe you should rephrase that, just because you have not run into it, doesn't mean it's not true, In the 12+ years I've been in the business I've run into it from several link lists. If it wasn't true why would all these webmasters be blurring out hardcore images on their tour pages?
I can't remember off the top of my head which link lists these were, I just stopped submitting to them, because they even made problems with reciprocal links that used nude/hardcore content in their reciprocal banners.

[rawTOP]

Most link lists do not allow hardcore content outside the 'protected' areas.

This is absolutely not true.

The impression that explicit is only allowed in protected areas probably came from the era where AVS was for Adult Verification. As soon as Visa said AVS couldn't be used for adult verification I'd guess MANcheck, UGAS and others stopped worrying about explicit content on unprotected pages...

[rawTOP]

Michael - Jumping ahead a bit... If you decided you wanted to update the look an feel of Universal Bear are you allowed to change the look of your galleries or are they set in stone once they're submitted?

[dzinerbear]

The impression that explicit is only allowed in protected areas probably came from the era where AVS was for Adult Verification. As soon as Visa said AVS couldn't be used for adult verification I'd guess MANcheck, UGAS and others stopped worrying about explicit content on unprotected pages...

You got it exactly right.

Michael

[dzinerbear]

Michael - Jumping ahead a bit... If you decided you wanted to update the look an feel of Universal Bear are you allowed to change the look of your galleries or are they set in stone once they're submitted?

No, you can change them. In fact, I've redesigned UB about five times now. However, a couple of notes on this:

You can change the design, look, and colour of the galleries, but you should keep the content and title the same on each gallery. The AVS will be sending traffic to "Big Hairy Men" so the surfers will expect to see big hairy men.

Michael

[dzinerbear]

Maybe you should rephrase that, just because you have not run into it, doesn't mean it's not true, In the 12+ years I've been in the business I've run into it from several link lists. If it wasn't true why would all these webmasters be blurring out hardcore images on their tour pages?


Webmasters blur out images because they think it teases the surfer and gets them to buy a membership. I have been submitting to the following link lists for years and never once have I been asked to remove an image: Gay Demon, Hunk Hunter, Male Directory, Hunk Men, Gay Sex Bot, Man Pics, Gay Man List, Macho Links, and Latin Men Links.

Your experience might have been with straight link lists, but I don't bother submitting there because I've found them to be useless for gay webmasters.

Michael

[rawTOP]

You can change the design, look, and colour of the galleries, but you should keep the content and title the same on each gallery. The AVS will be sending traffic to "Big Hairy Men" so the surfers will expect to see big hairy men

Can I assume that adding relevant content is OK? Let's say I did a "site" on Ted Colunga (to continue my example from earlier) and new content came along... Could I add more galleries to the 'site'?

[dzinerbear]

Can I assume that adding relevant content is OK? Let's say I did a "site" on Ted Colunga (to continue my example from earlier) and new content came along... Could I add more galleries to the 'site'?

Ah ... good question.

You can, but it'd be a waste. An AVS gallery has a short shelf life. You submit it, it's approved and listed, and then, the next day another 20-100 sites are approved on top of it. The day after that, another 20-100 sites fall on top. Surfers hit the AVS and check the "new" section, but if your gallery was "new" two months ago, they're probably not going to find it.

Likewise with link lists. You submit your gallery to the link list and get lots of traffic immediately. A week later, not so much.

So, in order to maximize your traffic from both the AVS and link list, you'd be better off creating a second Ted Colunga gallery, which means you'd probably have to hold onto it until you got more TC content.

You could use him and three other men, create a "Hairy Hunk" gallery, and then, perhaps a couple of months down the road, when you got more TC content, create a second gallery.

But I wouldn't just add the content to an existing gallery. The AVS probably isn't going to relist your site as new just because you added another 15 pics. You can always ask, and if they say yes, then you could go ahead. But I wouldn't add more content unless I was going to get another traffic hit.

And I don't have to tell you that a second Ted Colunga site with links to the first would help your SEO efforts, whereas adding more pictures will have no SEO effect.

Michael

[RDude]

Of course. I wouldn't choose bisexuals or trannies, I'm not sure if MANcheck takes sites with women. But use whatever niche you want. Each AVS is unique, so one niche will sell well with UGAS, but not so well with MANcheck, and visa versa. You'll just have to test them out.



LOL. I would only use gay content in this project. Thanks for the tips.

[rawTOP]

And I don't have to tell you that a second Ted Colunga site with links to the first would help your SEO efforts, whereas adding more pictures will have no SEO effect.

Actually, I don't agree... The search engine has to ask itself which Ted Colunga page has the most authority and will get confused if you give it multiple options. From an SEO perspective a single page per topic is best. On my blogs I do "noindex, follow" on all but the first page of a tag/category.

I'm still trying to figure out how to deal with AVS pages from an SEO perspective. Ideally if the topic of the page is redundant with some other page I'd "noindex, follow" the pages and have a link on the search terms to the pages I want to have be authority pages. But if the topic is not in competition with another page then I'd let it be indexed and get organic traffic. So I'll be listening carefully when you say what's allowed in terms of links. But that's a subject for another time.

[dannyz]

I think some general rules of thumb regarding using sponsor's content (such as ours) to create AVS sites would be:

1. Let the sponsor know you would like to use their content for the purpose of creating AVS sites, and get permission first. You don't want to get hit with a DMCA notice because a sponsor thinks you are pirating their content.

2. I think most sponsors would want their content watermarked.

3. I think most sponsors would only want you to promote their paysites in a gallery if you are using their content.

If anyone wants to use any of our content to create AVS galleries, and was agreeable with what I wrote above, feel free to hit me up. :happy:

Cheers,
Daniel

[rawTOP]

OK Michael... I spent some time today thinking and coming up with some of the basics. Can you tell me if this is a decent start?

http://www.wilywilly.com/mancheck/pornstars/ted-colunga/

The content comes from 4 scenes from 3 sponsors. The one who "wins" the big pic, get the banner on the first page. Haven't worked on the inside but I'm seeing an index page listing details from the 4 scenes and then a click into each scene with the banner for the supplying sponsor site at the bottom.

Am I on the right track?

[dzinerbear]

http://www.wilywilly.com/mancheck/pornstars/ted-colunga/

Yes, you're on the right track. A couple of things.

With MANcheck, on your tour pages, you're not allowed any sponsor banners or links, so you'll have to remove the Butch Dixon banner. On the tour, the whole focus needs to be selling MANcheck.

On your entry page, I'd remove the three images and put some text in there as to why the surfer "needs" MANcheck. Check out this: http://www.thecockbaron.com/college-dudes/college-guys-jacking-off/mancheck.html it may give you some ideas. You can also pull some of the graphics and buttons from the MANcheck site to illustrate why MANcheck is such a good deal.

Do yourself a favour and check through some of the AVS sites on Gay Demon or in MANcheck's new listing and see what other wm's are saying in their sales pitch. Those entry graphics are like banners, they've been around for eons, everyone has seen them. You need to compliment them with some good come on text.

Michael

[basschick]

3. I think most sponsors would only want you to promote their paysites in a gallery if you are using their content.

this is where we run into trouble using the word "galleries". despite the fact that avs's sometimes use the word "gallery" wrong, using it to describe a multi page site, most sponsors will consider a gallery a single page. that being the case, if one is writing to the sponsor, better use either AVS site or AEN site when asking.

i can't see why a sponsor wouldn't allow it as long as that sponsor was the only sponsor on the particular page where his program's pics were being used. say gallery 1 in your avs site was all pics and advertising from sdboy with no links or references to other sites, and page 2 was all pics and advertising from youlovejack. would that be an issue?

[rawTOP]

Yes, you're on the right track. A couple of things. [...]

I'll come up with sales copy when I'm in a mood to write :)

In the meantime I pushed a little further and did an inside page and a gallery page...

http://www.wilywilly.com/mancheck/pornstars/ted-colunga/galleries.htm

http://www.wilywilly.com/mancheck/pornstars/ted-colunga/gallery1.htm

Obviously, when no video is available there won't be a video. And there's a fair amount of loose ends to clean up, but I wanted to complete the thought today if I could.

I've pushed the name of the sponsor pretty hard in part to see if you'd say I can't go that far and be OK with MANcheck.

But it's time to stop and relax, so no rush on answers - I figure I'm ahead of where I should be so the answers can wait.

[dzinerbear]

this is where we run into trouble using the word "galleries". despite the fact that avs's sometimes use the word "gallery" wrong, using it to describe a multi page site, most sponsors will consider a gallery a single page.

Well basschick, you held off for 43 posts, but I knew this was coming. You're so predictable. rofl :D :)

I seem to recall the "misuse" of the word "gallery" also came out of the VISA reg changes because "site" implied something completely different to VISA, and there were then implications of an AVS acting as a processor. So to appease the whole situation, AVS sites became AVS galleries. It was a part of the then new reg that said you couldn't say "get access to thousands of sites." Some AVS's went uber overboard with the regs or their interpretation of them and others did, which just added to the overall confusion about AVS, which actually was no longer AVS, but AEN.

Anyway ... as you point out, technically they are sites; but with my background with Mancheck I often use "galleries" and "sites" interchangeably. It's hard to rewrite history. :)

Michael

[basschick]

well, i feel bad now, but what i said is still valid. if you ask a sponsor for pics for a gallery, they will give you 12 to 20 pics and expect you to use the pics on a gallery page. some sponsors don't allow you to use their content for avs sites, or only for the bottom level of avs sites, so not being clear could put one in violation of the program owners tos.


Well basschick, you held off for 43 posts, but I knew this was coming. You're so predictable. rofl :D :)

[dirkpeddler]

Well I'll be ignoring this post from now on since I was told to keep my information to myself, where it concerns the AVS Tutorial. Some people just think the world of themselves. Good luck with this misinformation.

[marcjacob]

Rawtop your galleries are coming along nicely but you can afford to be a bit more agressive in your sponsor promo imo. I would get a text link somewhere in the middle of the page or move the banner to the middle and have a nice text link where the banner is.

Mancheck don't mind that - but they like the customer to know where they are going to. I put linked text then unlinked text under that saying maybe "Watch FREE Preview Movies At AlphaMale.com" so the customer is clear where they are going. As long as no-one feels tricked into clicking, Mancheck should be cool.

[dannyz]

i can't see why a sponsor wouldn't allow it as long as that sponsor was the only sponsor on the particular page where his program's pics were being used. say gallery 1 in your avs site was all pics and advertising from sdboy with no links or references to other sites, and page 2 was all pics and advertising from youlovejack. would that be an issue?

For me personally that would not be an issue. As long as we're getting credit for our pics (with the watermark) and on that gallery's *page* with our content our site is the only paysite being promoted, I'd be happy. I do remember back in the days when I did AVS sites some sponsors would not have been okay with that, if you used their content for an AVS site they'd only want you to promote their site or sites on that AVS site. That's where it is good to get the sponsor's permission first. :)

[marcjacob]

Out of all the sponors I've spoken to about AVS sites only one has ever said no. Webmasters won't keep making AVS sites unless there is a return so if a sponsor gets no sales at least when it's on the new lists, I'd stop using that sponsors content.

Most of my sponsor sales come from AVS so it does work for both myself and the sponsor who gives the content. I try to be very fair with the sponsor who wants the sales, but I'm also fair to myself as I want the very same sponsor upsells. Otherwise you're only getting paid for half the job (ie the AVS money and why do that when you can get AVS sales AND sponsor sales?)

[rawTOP]

Rawtop your galleries are coming along nicely but you can afford to be a bit more agressive in your sponsor promo imo. I would get a text link somewhere in the middle of the page or move the banner to the middle and have a nice text link where the banner is.

Mancheck don't mind that - but they like the customer to know where they are going to. I put linked text then unlinked text under that saying maybe "Watch FREE Preview Movies At AlphaMale.com" so the customer is clear where they are going. As long as no-one feels tricked into clicking, Mancheck should be cool.

Thanks. What are the limits when it comes to pushing the sponsor(s) in the "protected" area of the AVS site?

[dzinerbear]

In the meantime I pushed a little further and did an inside page and a gallery page...

http://www.wilywilly.com/mancheck/pornstars/ted-colunga/galleries.htm

http://www.wilywilly.com/mancheck/pornstars/ted-colunga/gallery1.htm

Essentially, you're on the right track. You said you "pushed the sponsor pretty hard," but I don't think you've pushed hard enough. You can do more.

First, your sponsor's banner is buried at the bottom. I'd put a banner up top. And like marcjacob suggested, I'd put a text link somewhere else, too. Actually, when I have a video clip, I'll usually include a link under it like this: "Watch the full video of Ted Colunga jacking his huge dick." That's fair. And if you did that, you could probably also get away with another banner or text link at the very bottom.

Banners are fine, but as basschick points out all the time, text links are often better, so use them. A lot of webmasters, however, try and trick the surfer with text that leads the surfer to believe they're going off to see more of this MANcheck site, but then they get to the sponsor. Don't do stuff like that, it pisses the surfers off and they complain to the AVS. Blind links I guess we call them.

A couple of other things, rawtop, you've done a lot of SEO work on these gallery pages. It's not needed. You actually don't want the SE's to index these pages because member's pages are supposed to be hidden from the public. If you weren't SEOing and just putting come-on text under each photo, I think it's overboard and I'd remove it.

On my member's pages I actually put each photo on an html page. I provide a "back" and "forward" button. And then, at the end of each photo set, or every 10th images, when the surfer hits the "next" button, they get the next thumbnail gallery with new banners.

AVS is different than freesites. These are paying members not freeloaders, so you want to make the member's experience as pleasant as possible. If you do, they'll start liking your sites and remember them and visit new ones created by you. By using my device explained above, you'll continue to expose them to your sponsors banners.

MANcheck also prefers you put images on html pages.

On your galleries.htm page, I'd remove all that text, put all the thumbs above the fold, and get your banner or text link above the fold, too. You've already repeated the text inside, no need to use it here. You could probably get away with another banner, too.

BTW, don't be afraid to try stuff. If you put three banners on this page and MANcheck didn't like it, they'd simply ask you to reduce them. They're not going to ban you for life or anything.

And on your galleries.htm page, I'd also include a link to your other MANcheck galleries (once you've created them.)

It's looking pretty good!

Michael

[dzinerbear]

Thanks. What are the limits when it comes to pushing the sponsor(s) in the "protected" area of the AVS site?

Personally, I usually only do two spots on picture pages, I'll add that video come-on I mentioned earlier if I have a video.

Here are the actual rules from the MANcheck webmaster forum:

-The site must contain gay adult content only. The minimum gallery image requirement is 50.

-Sites must provide a navigation button to move from gallery to gallery and image to image.

-Webmasters assume responsibility for any and all content and services on your site including all copyright and age of consent confirmation.

-Sites containing illegal content will not be listed.

-Any kind of deceptive post-approval practices such as illegal content substitution will result in de-listing.

-Annoying gimmicks such as pop-ups, consoles, splash pages or disabling the back-button are strictly prohibited. The addition of any such traffic funneling gimmicks will result in immediate delisting of the site, without notification, from our search engine.

-Only Sites approved and listed within the MANcheck Search Engine qualify for reoccurring proceeds. In contrast, sites with integrity and substance, statistically, convert better and are rewarded as such.

-Any site linking to hidden content from an external server will not be listed.

-Any method of bandwidth, link and site piracy is strictly prohibited, monitored and reprimanded.

-Sites that funnel traffic to other pay services will not be listed.

-If your site is going to be temporarily unavailable, you should voluntarily inform MANcheck Webmaster Services with an estimation of forecasted downtime. We routinely screen for bad links, and delist any site that we cannot access or locate the MANcheck script.

-The name of your site in our search engine must match the name displayed on your site. You may not register the same site under different names. The name of the site should also represent the content of the site.

-Only sites that display the MANcheck script, will qualify for listing in the MANcheck Search Engine. Sites that only participate in the Banner Program will not be included in the MANcheck Search Engine.

-A "regular" video site requires 5 to 10 minutes of video clip. We are flexible if you include gallery images as well.

Michael

[rawTOP]

Thanks Michael! It may be a couple days before I implement all of that, but that's exactly what I needed to hear!

All the text is because I have it, and once I get an idea of how I want things I'll automate/script it and it's just as easy to put it in as it is to leave it off. Yes, I know there's no SEO value since spiders can't crawl the pages. I guess I need to ask myself whether it helps or gets in the way. I can see where the image titles on the gallery pages don't really help and I'm not sure about using the sponsor description - they really suck sometimes. If they're well-written I can see them helping because they'll give details that make the pictures more interesting (e.g. it was the first time the guy was fucked, etc.)

So based on what everyone has said, it sounds like I can put other links to other relevant sponsors on my galleries.htm page. I'm thinking of a link to all Ted Colunga videos in my AEBN theater - stuff like that.

[rawTOP]

A "regular" video site requires 5 to 10 minutes of video clip. We are flexible if you include gallery images as well.

That just made me think... I've got videos on places like XTube and JizzFlixxx - I could do MANcheck video sites with higher res versions of those "free" videos... But that's another project completely...

[marcjacob]

With videos it's more about what the link lists will allow. I think Hunkhunter for example want 18 clips, so you have to make sure you have 5-10 mins of video in 18 clips. He said he isn't "a size queen" when it comes to lengh of video.

I do 18 clips and get listed everwhere I submit to.

Don't forget the link lists will bring you Mancheck sales AND sponsor sales so it's well worth working to their rules aswell as Manchecks.

[rawTOP]

With videos it's more about what the link lists will allow. I think Hunkhunter for example want 18 clips, so you have to make sure you have 5-10 mins of video in 18 clips. He said he isn't "a size queen" when it comes to lengh of video.

I do 18 clips and get listed everwhere I submit to.

Don't forget the link lists will bring you Mancheck sales AND sponsor sales so it's well worth working to their rules aswell as Manchecks.

Most of my videos are 20-30 minutes long, but they're usually just one or two clips. This isn't promo videos - this is full amateur scenes.

[abostonboy]

Regarding the use of Sponsor content. I give affiliates great freedom with our content. I have UGAS webmasters that I let crop the logo off. I have no problem giving out the full set of images. And if an affiliate wants to send traffic to another one of their properties on the same page as our images that is not a big issue either.

[marcjacob]

Most of my videos are 20-30 minutes long, but they're usually just one or two clips. This isn't promo videos - this is full amateur scenes.

Hunkhunter would still refuse that. You would need to split them but there are good programs to do that for you.

[dzinerbear]

Hunkhunter would still refuse that. You would need to split them but there are good programs to do that for you.

There's an easy solution for that: I submit a site with 60 pics, and then, the 4 1-minute clips aren't an issue.

Michael

[marcjacob]

There's an easy solution for that: I submit a site with 60 pics, and then, the 4 1-minute clips aren't an issue.

Michael

That would also work. I just split the videos using Boilsoft Video Splitter so it's less work for me.

[MissV]

Hey Dzinerbear.. just out of curiosity - I'm assuming the way that it works is that we sign up for the mancheck account, they track how many sales come through us - and get credited accordingly.(with some affiliate code that's probably in the script, etc.)

How do the sales get tracked to the sponsor's site? (sorry if this is a silly question - just thinking out loud as I read this) is that all just magically done in the background when they load the "galleries/sites" into their directory? the answer may be obvious as soon as you create an account, I've just never been inside mancheck..

Also wondering if that's how they would credit the site/gallery for any sales on their cinema as well.. since their cinema is in fact a private labelled version of maleflixxx.. ? I think that's the only part of the equation where a sale wouldn't necessarily generate income directly for the sponsor? (but you're assuming that if someone buys a viewing package on their cinema, they'd probably watch the sponsor movies and therefore they'd get some kind of $$)

[MissV]

Also wondering if that's how they would credit the site/gallery for any sales on their cinema as well.. since their cinema is in fact a private labelled version of maleflixxx.. ? I think that's the only part of the equation where a sale wouldn't necessarily generate income directly for the sponsor? (but you're assuming that if someone buys a viewing package on their cinema, they'd probably watch the sponsor movies and therefore they'd get some kind of $$)

unless I'm just overcomplicating this thought process.. does Mancheck just not make money on Sponsor membership sales? Like, the only money they actually make is on memberships to their networks? If that's the case then we just insert the affiliate ID of the sponsor(that we signed up for to get the images in the first place) into whatever link we put up to them.?

[tim]

Michael and others, I'll be actively participating in this workshop soon, will be back from a family affair on Tuesday. Just got my ICQ, name of my biz, PO Box, now I'm in school on Gaydemon, and like a kid in a candy shop all excited! Sound's dumb but hey, first time things are very cool, even at my age. ;)

[tim]

not school, on-the-job training.

[basschick]

when someone buys a mancheck membership from your mancheck protected avs site, you get paid for that sale.

BUT mancheck also sends their own members to the protected area of your avs site to browse your content. it's not like a paysite - all mancheck members can enter your site. and since there are ads on your galleries and on your main page, those ads use regular affiliate links that the avs members can click through. that's how you make money from the sponsors.

important to keep in mind that avs members who will already get access to your avs member area are proven buyers who have used their credit cards to buy access to porn via the avs. they've always been good buyers for me.


Hey Dzinerbear.. just out of curiosity - I'm assuming the way that it works is that we sign up for the mancheck account, they track how many sales come through us - and get credited accordingly.(with some affiliate code that's probably in the script, etc.)

How do the sales get tracked to the sponsor's site? (sorry if this is a silly question - just thinking out loud as I read this) is that all just magically done in the background when they load the "galleries/sites" into their directory? the answer may be obvious as soon as you create an account, I've just never been inside mancheck..

Also wondering if that's how they would credit the site/gallery for any sales on their cinema as well.. since their cinema is in fact a private labelled version of maleflixxx.. ? I think that's the only part of the equation where a sale wouldn't necessarily generate income directly for the sponsor? (but you're assuming that if someone buys a viewing package on their cinema, they'd probably watch the sponsor movies and therefore they'd get some kind of $$)

[MissV]

when someone buys a mancheck membership from your mancheck protected avs site, you get paid for that sale.

BUT mancheck also sends their own members to the protected area of your avs site to browse your content. it's not like a paysite - all mancheck members can enter your site. and since there are ads on your galleries and on your main page, those ads use regular affiliate links that the avs members can click through. that's how you make money from the sponsors.

important to keep in mind that avs members who will already get access to your avs member area are proven buyers who have used their credit cards to buy access to porn via the avs. they've always been good buyers for me.
Thanks for clarifying for me basschick! I appreciate it.

[dzinerbear]

Also wondering if that's how they would credit the site/gallery for any sales on their cinema as well.. since their cinema is in fact a private labelled version of maleflixxx.. ? I think that's the only part of the equation where a sale wouldn't necessarily generate income directly for the sponsor? (but you're assuming that if someone buys a viewing package on their cinema, they'd probably watch the sponsor movies and therefore they'd get some kind of $$)

If a surfer clicks the MANcheck Cinema link on the entry code on your site, your referral information is carried through and MANcheck shares the sale with you. If you used MANcheck Cinema banners or other materials you get from the webmaster's area, the same thing happens, your code carries through and you're credited with the sale.

basschick has already explained the rest of your questions, MissV, but I just wanted to add that MANcheck has nothing to do with your secondary sponsors. They don't track them, earn revenue from them, produce the links, etc. they just let you promote them inside because, as basschick said, you're providing content for the whole MANcheck network.

Michael

[MissV]

If a surfer clicks the MANcheck Cinema link on the entry code on your site, your referral information is carried through and MANcheck shares the sale with you. If you used MANcheck Cinema banners or other materials you get from the webmaster's area, the same thing happens, your code carries through and you're credited with the sale.

basschick has already explained the rest of your questions, MissV, but I just wanted to add that MANcheck has nothing to do with your secondary sponsors. They don't track them, earn revenue from them, produce the links, etc. they just let you promote them inside because, as basschick said, you're providing content for the whole MANcheck network.

Michael

Thanks for clarifying! It's all good now.. I kinda figured that out after I posted the question, but it's always good to have it confirmed for you. Cheers!

[tim]

Hope you see this Michael. Perhaps I've repeated this too much, but I greatly admire what you are doing and want to be a part of it. Due to more than I can say, I am not ready to participate in this workshop. That really upsets me because I'm so enthusiastic about it, plus I want to do the UGAS one. Not sure now how much time I can devote to them, depending on...many things. If I can, you know I will. But I thought you should know.

I would still like to at least ask questions about the material you present if I have time. May be many really basic questions, but it would help me to prepare.

Thanks.