View Full Version : before we start the AVS site workshop...
basschick
10-10-2009, 02:00 PM
i'm wondering what you think on a couple points. should we all use the same AVS or should each person pick the one he likes? and what are some you consider you'd like to go with for this? and are we going standard or some type of premium? i'm voting simpler premium, like the ugas preferred sites.
dzinerbear
10-10-2009, 02:14 PM
This is kind of a tough one. It'd be nice if everyone were using the same AVS, that way we're talking apples and apples in the tutorial. Each AVS has its own set of rules and quirks and since many of these people haven't created AVS sites before, it'd definitely be simpler to keep it to one AVS.
Why don't we do two AVS tutorials? One MANcheck and one UGAS. There are big differences between the two. Mancheck has a better premium area and UGAS allows middle page ads.
Michael
basschick
10-10-2009, 03:28 PM
mancheck - they're the ones that make you put each pic on a page, right?
I've built ManCheck sites on and off for some years and I just use ThumbsPlus to make my galleries ... they certainly have never asked me to put each pic on it's own page.
dzinerbear
10-10-2009, 06:58 PM
"Sites must provide a navigation button to move from gallery to gallery and image to image." This is in their policies section, so it seems as if you're right, Patti.
It's never been a big deal for me; I created the set of pages once and use them over and over again. It think it's also nicer for the surfer. And this also helps me upsell my secondary sponsors, as every 10th page, I send them to a new thumbnail page with banners.
Michael
basschick
10-11-2009, 12:21 AM
well, i don't have a program to do it or existing pages, but if you want to do them as one of the avs's, i can add the buttons by hand. that's what i had to do last time - in fact, it's one of the reasons it WAS the last time :D
"Sites must provide a navigation button to move from gallery to gallery and image to image." This is in their policies section, so it seems as if you're right, Patti.
It's never been a big deal for me; I created the set of pages once and use them over and over again. It think it's also nicer for the surfer. And this also helps me upsell my secondary sponsors, as every 10th page, I send them to a new thumbnail page with banners.
Michael
marcjacob
10-11-2009, 01:58 AM
I've never put my big images on a seperate page and they never complained.
gaydemon_jr
10-11-2009, 04:36 AM
I'd quite like to take part in this workshop. I'm new to AVS so I put in a vote for the same network, for ease.
rawTOP
10-11-2009, 05:24 AM
I'd like to learn both MANcheck and UGAS. I'll leave it up to those who know them better to determine whether one or two tutorials is best...
dzinerbear
10-11-2009, 06:20 AM
I'm happy to do a MANcheck tutorial. I still sell MANcheck well. I never could get the hang of UGAS, so I'm not the best person to do that one.
Michael
One network would make it easier. I still would like to learn both MANcheck and UGAS. Maybe a workshop on one followed by the other, unless that is just too much.
I want to participate but have very little money, so it will depend on the cost. What is the least amount of money needed to purchase content (or other things I am not aware of) to participate in this workshop?
dzinerbear
10-11-2009, 07:28 AM
You don't need to purchase anything for this tutorial. You can use sponsor content. You just need someplace to host the site, which could be any place on any domain you own.
Michael
basschick
10-11-2009, 12:23 PM
i never sold one membership through mancheck but i'm pretty good with ugas.
if you have hosting, you can participate. nothing will cost a single cent if you don't want to buy content - as michael says, you can use sponsor content.
michael, what's the minimum pics for a mancheck site?
dzinerbear
10-11-2009, 04:29 PM
50 pics for a regular site and 100 for a Plus site.
Michael
UglyO'Bear
10-11-2009, 06:44 PM
This should be a really helpful workshop... however the format is decided. I'm looking forward to it.
That's good to know Michael and basschick, thanks. Looking forward to learning and working with you and others in the this workshop.
marcjacob
10-12-2009, 07:24 AM
UGAS used to do free hosting so you wouldn't even need that. Not sure if they still do though.
basschick
10-12-2009, 01:27 PM
even if they did, some lists won't accept free hosted sites because free hosting tends to have a lot of issues - downtime, slow connections, etc.
UGAS used to do free hosting so you wouldn't even need that. Not sure if they still do though.
UGAS used to do free hosting so you wouldn't even need that. Not sure if they still do though.
thanks marcjacob and basschick...all good info to know.
RDude
10-12-2009, 08:55 PM
One network would make it easier. I still would like to learn both MANcheck and UGAS. Maybe a workshop on one followed by the other, unless that is just too much.
I would like to see separate tutorials as well if it's not too much of a pain. I think it would make it easier on us AVS newbs.
MaxPower
10-12-2009, 11:41 PM
Is it 'ethical' to be telling people to spend time doing this?
RDude
10-13-2009, 12:05 AM
Is it 'ethical' to be telling people to spend time doing this?
Well if we want to learn how to do it and make it profitable, one has to spend time at it, don't they?
MaxPower
10-13-2009, 12:32 AM
But if you can make more money from picking up cans on the side of the road from the same amount of time and effort it becomes unethical to advice people to do that.
If you have traffic their are Much better places to send it, that will make 5 times as much money (like any good PPS members site)
How about a workshop on opening a merchant account, or setting up good traffic trading scripts Or how HQ designs boost sales by 20-50%? Their are huge numbers of better topics here in 2010.
RDude
10-13-2009, 12:50 AM
Well if people choose to take the time to follow the tutorial because they want to learn how to create an AVS site - like myself - then it no longer becomes a question of ethics, as no one is forcing us to do it. I'm quite capable of thinking for myself and if I feel something is not profitable to pursue, I won't. Furthermore, if Basshchick and Dzinerbear didn't think this was worth the time and effort, I don't think they would have asked if anyone wanted to learn how to do it.
As for the things you've mentioned, yes, they are all very good tools which many of us would like to learn more about. Why don't you start some workshops yourself if you have the time? Perhaps you can talk to the moderators or Bjorn about making a sticky thread for you. You never know unless you ask - as they say. Just a thought.
MaxPower
10-13-2009, 01:10 AM
I just don't like you guys spreading bad information and wasting peoples time, if you pretend this is a worth wild activity then you are unethical, as even Gay Demon as I recall moved all of the sites to a 'special' section.
We need many things right now, just just to waste peoples time on BS is not one of them.
I will quit, ever does any good but for real.........
marcjacob
10-13-2009, 01:31 AM
Max if people want to do it let them. I know people who are making alot of money on avs still. Just because you can't make money from avs doesn't make it dead - as you've been told many many times.
I did once listen to your ramblings about how avs is a waste of time, then I saw the sheer number of Mansites galleries that you have.
marcjacob
10-13-2009, 02:07 AM
Regarding the debate over Mancheck vs UGAS, I find that some people cannot sell Mancheck and other's struggle with UGAS.
I struggled with Mancheck for ages but Dzinebear helped me and I now do ok with them.
For total AVS newbies, I would suggest you do both workshops and see what works best for you. You never know which your traffic will prefer.
Also for AVS I would say that you make money two ways. Selling the AVS pass is important, but their traffic is great for upselling to your sponsor. If you don't upsell inside the avs site you are missing out imo.
dzinerbear
10-13-2009, 02:29 AM
I just don't like you guys spreading bad information and wasting peoples time, if you pretend this is a worth wild activity then you are unethical
Max, I've seen your AVS galleries, I can see why you think it'd be a waste of time. I've been supporting a family of two, plus two cats, on AVS income since 2003.
Michael
gaydemon
10-13-2009, 02:48 AM
I just don't like you guys spreading bad information and wasting peoples time, if you pretend this is a worth wild activity then you are unethical, as even Gay Demon as I recall moved all of the sites to a 'special' section.
We need many things right now, just just to waste peoples time on BS is not one of them.
I will quit, ever does any good but for real.........
AVS sites have not been moved to a "special section" and AVS is still going strong. Mancheck for example has seen a big comeback.
Don't judge others from your own failures. There are many webmasters still making a good amount of money from the AVS model.
I cannot speak for basschick, but I got the sense that she mentioned the AVS site partly because it offers a way to test the viability of a niche.
To be honest, I'm excited about EVERYTHING - AVS for sure, AND all the interesting topics of importance that Max noted. The board has members with a variety of expertise, which is fantastic and good for business.
gaydemon_jr
10-13-2009, 07:16 AM
Nobody is being forced to participate. If you don't want to, then don't, but don't go accusing good people of spreading bullshit or wasting people's time. :grrr:
I just don't like you guys spreading bad information and wasting peoples time, if you pretend this is a worth wild activity then you are unethical, as even Gay Demon as I recall moved all of the sites to a 'special' section.
We need many things right now, just just to waste peoples time on BS is not one of them.
I will quit, ever does any good but for real.........
MaxPower
10-13-2009, 08:19 AM
I see huge numbers of Mancheck fans, did they get a new owner?
dirkpeddler
10-13-2009, 08:49 AM
I see huge numbers of Mancheck fans, did they get a new owner?
No, as mentioned in one of the other threads, the old gang (the good ones) came back and took it back, but this information probably will be seen as BS by you, since you seem to be so easy to accuse people of spreading BS, etc. You know if you know it all, why not offer your experience in your own thread instead of accusing people trying to waste other people's time.
RDude
10-13-2009, 09:00 AM
Yes, please Max, if you don't like what you read in this thread, go to another one. We're trying to make this a positive experience, not a negative one.
On a last note, the people you accuse of spreading BS are the same people who have taught me everything I know about this business. They're still teaching me, all the time. I make good money from that. So they obviously know what they're talking about. Perhaps doing something that is more unique nowadays than it was several years ago - like AVS - is more lucrative than you think when done right. Again, a person never knows unless they give it a try.
Contrary to how you might think Max, to me, any knowledgeable thing and new experience in life is worth it. It's not always about money. I know that sounds crazy to some people, but it's the way I am. Life is a treasure in many ways, not just in the monetary sense.
MaxPower
10-13-2009, 09:01 AM
Ya this program did change hands, that makes since. Was it just mancheck or did UGAS change hands as well?
Gaystoryman
10-13-2009, 09:02 AM
To get this thread back on topic, is it agreed then that to begin with
the Workshop will have two tutorials, beginning with everyone using Mancheck, second for UGAS.
Now perhaps we can also determine, going for the regular or premium at the start?
I think for Mancheck, it was mentioned 100 pics for the premium? That right Michael?
Self Hosted for this, using a 'sub domain'? (ie mancheck.yoursite.com)?
Any other details need to be set, before beginning?
Gaystoryman
10-13-2009, 09:03 AM
Ya this program did change hands, that makes since. Was it just mancheck or did UGAS change hands as well?
Max, please stop trying to hijack this thread, it is about the avs workshop, not to answer your questions of who owns what or not, do that in your own thread please.
rawTOP
10-13-2009, 09:24 AM
Self Hosted for this, using a 'sub domain'? (ie mancheck.yoursite.com)?
Any other details need to be set, before beginning?
I asked in the other thread but it didn't get an answer - what do we need in terms of domains? Michael talked about a "hub" what is a hub and how should it be configured? Can it be a directory on an established domain? Or does it need to be a separate domain? What are the pros and cons to each configuration?
And Max... Porn may not be the high margin business it used to be. If you're not capable of creating automated, efficient, scalable processes, maybe you shouldn't be in porn. Leave it to those of us who have the needed skills and stop blaming everyone else for your problems. Sorry for being blunt, but your input has almost gotten comical in it's doom and gloom...
Gaystoryman
10-13-2009, 09:34 AM
A hub, is generally a site that links to your free sites, galleries, etc. sort of a catch all, least as I understand it. Now maybe Michael has a different definition, or others, but that's basically what I gather a 'hub' is.
I would 'assume' this is a site, where you drive unfiltered traffic to, which then redirects the surfer to a more niched category.
rawTOP
10-13-2009, 09:40 AM
A hub, is generally a site that links to your free sites, galleries, etc. sort of a catch all, least as I understand it. Now maybe Michael has a different definition, or others, but that's basically what I gather a 'hub' is.
I would 'assume' this is a site, where you drive unfiltered traffic to, which then redirects the surfer to a more niched category.
I sorta understood that, but my question is really trying to separate the function of a hub from it's typical implementation. Could it not be the main page of a directory? Why do people set it up as a separate domain?
Craig
10-13-2009, 11:11 AM
I cannot speak for basschick, but I got the sense that she mentioned the AVS site partly because it offers a way to test the viability of a niche.
I believe you are correct. With "Bathhouse" "wet" and other "Will this work" posts over the past month or so, Bass and others would post a canned reply "Try building an AVS" - leading to... People don't know what an AVS is or how to build one.
But, This topic is stuck in the classic tail spin of forum tutorials... All talk, no tutorial. And I'm starting to think the Tutorial is going to be the other forum classic "Build a page and put images on it... show us and we will tell you what's wrong with it" - No actual "Tutorial" leading the campaign.
But I could be wrong.
dzinerbear
10-13-2009, 12:51 PM
I love proving people wrong. :)
Michael
I love proving people wrong. :)
Michael
Thanks Michael.
While I don't have time to activly participate in this one, I have been checking the thread and already making a few notes so that I can try one in the future. Over the past few years a number of webmasters have suggested making AVS galleries and I never felt like fumbling my way through.
I can't wait to see your do it yourself guide. ie. tutorial.
Lets get this puppy going.
basschick
10-13-2009, 03:33 PM
gee, craig - thanks. it couldn't be that we're trying to find out the needs of the webmasters in advance, since not all avs situations are alike and a single tutorial wouldn't do the job. in fact, i have 90% of one tutorial written but that i had to deal with my mother, who has alzheimers, and had a situation arise i had to deal with.
you know, we have done all the other tutorials we promised on this board. a little understanding wouldn't hurt.
I believe you are correct. With "Bathhouse" "wet" and other "Will this work" posts over the past month or so, Bass and others would post a canned reply "Try building an AVS" - leading to... People don't know what an AVS is or how to build one.
But, This topic is stuck in the classic tail spin of forum tutorials... All talk, no tutorial. And I'm starting to think the Tutorial is going to be the other forum classic "Build a page and put images on it... show us and we will tell you what's wrong with it" - No actual "Tutorial" leading the campaign.
But I could be wrong.
Craig
10-13-2009, 03:39 PM
http://i.imagehost.org/0865/bigoljerkyjerkface.jpg
dirkpeddler
10-13-2009, 06:59 PM
Michael talked about a "hub" what is a hub and how should it be configured? Can it be a directory on an established domain? Or does it need to be a separate domain? What are the pros and cons to each configuration?
A hub to me is usually the domain I'm working on. So to me www . mydomain . com is my hub which links to other sites/galleries on that domain.
So on www . mydomain . com/index.html I list all sites/galleries that are hosted on that domain.
gee, craig - thanks. ... i have 90% of one tutorial written but that i had to deal with my mother, who has alzheimers, and had a situation arise i had to deal with.
you know, we have done all the other tutorials we promised on this board. a little understanding wouldn't hurt.
In the long run, especially with education, it's far better to take one's time and get it down solid. Please take your time, not that you need anyone's advice. (My Dad had Alzehimers and that in itself is more than plenty to deal with.) I'm also going away and will be back Oct. 20, and still have things I have to catch up on.
I asked in the other thread but it didn't get an answer - what do we need in terms of domains? Michael talked about a "hub" what is a hub and how should it be configured? Can it be a directory on an established domain? Or does it need to be a separate domain? What are the pros and cons to each configuration?
I'm also still wondering about what I need with domains. However, I figure that the tutorial will cover what domain(s) are needed, their function, and and what to do with them when the the workshop starts. Then we will know what to get. My request is, to make sure that those of us are who are green in the biz can also understand it (of course, without sacrificing the the content of the workshop).
Even more basic "before we start the workshop" questions for me are:
1. Once a particular domain is made into an AVS site, can that domain/site ever be taken down and used for a blog or regular site or paysite not connected to AVS?
2. If so, is that bad business with the AVS company?
For example, isn't that the purpose if a person is testing a domain/niche by trying it as AVS site first?
dzinerbear
10-14-2009, 08:10 AM
1. Once a particular domain is made into an AVS site, can that domain/site ever be taken down and used for a blog or regular site or paysite not connected to AVS?
2. If so, is that bad business with the AVS company?
Each AVS has their own rules and regs. Some require your sites to be action in order to continue collecting rebilling. If you remove the site, the AVS may discontinue paying your rebilling. Of course if you have no rebilling, there's no loss.
I had a UGAS hub that wasn't doing well, so I just converting it into a blog. The nice thing to do would be to inform the AVS, so they can remove your sites from their index. But it's your domain, you can do whatever you want with it.
Michael
Each AVS has their own rules and regs. Some require your sites to be action in order to continue collecting rebilling. If you remove the site, the AVS may discontinue paying your rebilling. Of course if you have no rebilling, there's no loss.
Right
I had a UGAS hub that wasn't doing well, so I just converting it into a blog. The nice thing to do would be to inform the AVS, so they can remove your sites from their index. But it's your domain, you can do whatever you want with it.
Good! Thanks, Michael